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here's Jean Steinberg we're back with a

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all sorts of things we can't mention on

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and Chris in the power cast this week

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and rather than have our usual preamble

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we felt it was so important to have Jim

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on that we bring them on at the

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beginning of the show don't you feel

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special Jim we have like a ten minute

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introduction yeah normally normally we

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get to take potshots at the subject or

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the guest before we have our guests but

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no not with you Jim you you get you get

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special treatment here we slowly give a

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potshot while you're on the air because

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we know you can give back so what are we

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going to talk about today well before we

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talk about anything remind our listeners

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that if you want to ask a question of

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our guests we don't do the phone thing

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because that would force you to have to

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instead we have you leave messages in

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our forums at forum dr. Peric ascom in a

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place called the question bank and we

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have a few questions for Jim we book Jim

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in short notice but we have a few short

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questions because we booked a maturity

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notice and we'll ask those a little bit

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later but the one thing I think we're

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going to talk about because you were

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mentioning this to me Jim when we were

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preparing for this session today but

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you've been lately writing a little bit

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about the Aztec crash again is that

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because of the book by Scott Ramsay yeah

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well it came back to the fore recently

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because Scott Ramsey finally got this

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book out I guess it was two to three

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months ago was it called the crash yeah

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I'm not sure the title actually but a

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stack says we should know

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was a thing that happened allegedly in

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Aztecs New Mexico in March or April of

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1948 which would be just a few months

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after Roswell it's a very controversial

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story and very complicated and I hope we

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don't spend the whole time on that but

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I'm here to serve you my master yes my

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slave okay the book by the way is called

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the Aztec incident recovery in Hart

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Canyon late April it's rather a small

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book in terms of pages with a lot of

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documents that may or may not be related

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but it's a result of this great quest

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that Scott and his wife Suzanne embarked

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on beginning in the 1980s and this is

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startling Jim because we know your close

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attachment to money and that is

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according to the Ramseys they spent

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about a half and they only printed about

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1,100 copies of this book which means at

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24.95 it's gonna be kind of a loss so

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obviously they didn't do it to make

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money

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well they published it because perhaps

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nobody wanted to publish it I'm not sure

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these days it's very interesting the way

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the publishing industry works nowadays

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people sometimes find it better even if

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they have a pretty decent book to sell

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to publish it themselves because they

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have things like what they call print on

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demand where the printer will when you

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get an order print the book and send it

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out you don't have to have an inventory

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of a hundred books in your garage or

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take out the envelopes or anything know

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that anymore yes it makes me think of my

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book shockingly close to the truth is

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that like three John no demand I'm told

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no it's not it was published in 2002 and

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I believe they printed 3500 copies as

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far as I know from the statements I get

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every six months they've sold around

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2000 which means that 1500 copies are

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rotting in their warehouse well maybe

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they sell them for hours or honor

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something you had a discount I have no

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idea well the way it works with Amazon

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had

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through the regular royalties in terms

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of your royalty statements it's not a

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special thing except that Amazon gets

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the books at a discount they have a

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special price as a result of which if

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they sell the book at Amazon you make

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slightly less for sale than from Barnes

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& Noble I never made a dime and I got an

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advance at that time but my feeling is

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that they have not sold enough nor

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probably never will that there will be a

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profit on the books for me to get

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royalties I'm not anticipating that

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that's going to happen that's also true

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with most UFO books like that look that

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Steinman and Stevens wrote about Aztec

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back in the 1980s it sold about 500

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copies well then I'm sure was

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self-published I haven't read that book

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but my feelings about wendell stevens

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are that he's a nice guy but i wouldn't

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believe him leslie if he said the Sun

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was coming up if he says that now I'd be

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surprised because he's dead yes yes he

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is very dead and the other fellow

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Steinman I think that's the only thing

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he ever did I think he has some

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religious hangups also and I just don't

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get a heavy feeling of truth about him

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either so but you see to me the Aztec

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case is untrue since the beginning the

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original book like Frank Scully in 1950

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behind the flying saucers I read that at

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that time and I didn't really believe it

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because there were some things in it

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that were rather strange entirely let me

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just interrupt for a second Jim I recall

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that Scully wrote one article for saucer

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news back in the early days oh he

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probably may have written more than one

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I mean if I may say so most of the big

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names in the saucer field Rose article

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Resort News at one time or another

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I knew Scully slightly because on my

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trip around the country in 1953 when I

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interviewed people all over the place

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dry

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from New York to California and back in

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a matter of several weeks one of the

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people that I interviewed out in Los

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Angeles was Frank's Tully and Scully's

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main informant for this alleged landing

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was a fella named Silas Newton who I

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also interviewed at his home in Denver

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Colorado

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you know this is something we should

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explore because the general perception

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is that Newton was a con man but then

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Scott Ramsey's book tries to say well

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what he got charged with he never spent

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any time in jail so seriously impact

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what you think about it reading

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something else right yeah remember right

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off there what it is oh yes it's

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something written by Jerry Clark I think

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there were several cases over a period

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of many years where Silas Newton was

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charged with many different alleged

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fraud and so it's interesting Ramsey is

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trying to play down that one particular

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case that we're talking about he says

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only one of Newton's victims or

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associates complained and that caused

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them to have to go to court he also says

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that they matters to merchants I think

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they either dropped charges they did

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have a court hearing and they either

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dropped charges or they just made him

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pay for the cost of court or perhaps

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there's a third murder that there was a

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small fine but the idea behind this is

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that all I wanted to do was touch

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Newton up you see he was outstanding

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businessman is a good fellow and so

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forth but you see today EBM Wall Street

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millionaire really he'd be a Wall Street

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millionaire today for theirs who cheated

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people in jail to the Republican Party

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I'm sorry I didn't wanna get

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Remzi tries extremely hard to downplay

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the thing but I have copies of the two

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articles that were written in the 1955

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man named

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Gary panic on and that's where Ramsey

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really attacks and goes after Conn

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claiming well he only wrote these

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articles because he wanted to get a

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piece of the action on Scully's book and

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was involved he according to that

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version he believed the story himself

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which is almost sure Kelly didn't

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believe it but you know I went into they

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need to view as we get to our next

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segment because this is going to be

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fascinating so remember ladies and

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gentlemen Jim Mosley in the 1950s went

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around the country to interview people

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about flying saucers including Silas

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Newton and Frank Scully we'll get to

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serious time in his life when Jim first

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got involved in UFO research this is

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something that's already mentioned in

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that book shockingly close to the truth

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from Prometheus books it's still I guess

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might get some money in any case okay so

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you met up with Frank Scully tell the

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story well meeting Frank Scully wasn't

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it just that I interviewed him and he

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told me pretty much the same stuff that

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was in the book the same would be true

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of the Silas Newton

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these were not expose days or anything

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it was just to have the pleasure of

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meeting them and hear their own words

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and hopefully get some exclusive or 70

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wrangle but I don't remember that I

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actually did let's get a sense of the

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people though you talk to Scully he says

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whatever he wrote in the book is true

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etcetera etc what's your perception of

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him as a person at the time well I have

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notes which also all the way across the

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room I was not impressed with him as a

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person I had already read his books

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about three years earlier and meeting

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him I would try to recall exactly how I

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felt but I I didn't think he was a

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serious person for various reasons he

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didn't seem to be the kind of person

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that could be this serious about this

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kind of story we also have to

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remember that Frank Scully was a

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entertainment person not a scientist by

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any stretch of imagination the summary

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here being he was a gossip columnist

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well that's right he wrote a column for

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a variety which is the showbiz

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newspapers magazines and whatever you

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want to call it and he did that for a

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long time and so he was in with showbiz

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and so forth but that doesn't make him a

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scientific person or a serious person

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and the more I reacted going through all

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of this stuff again now now that it's

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sort of become popular or unpopular

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again I do not get the feeling that

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Scully ever believed this and I don't

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think Newton and Newton's art their way

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of Jebel I don't think they believed it

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either I think they probably made it up

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to get more attention and to get more

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money

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ultimately for their oil schemes which

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was their main thing that they did in

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life over a period of years okay now

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let's just look at Scully because Ramsey

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claims to have seen Scully's private

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papers yeah now the private papers at

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least as far as the Ramsey book is

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concerned showed a person who was very

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seriously interested in the subject in

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trying to tell what he thought was

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accurate information that's his

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interpretation or yours well I know that

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these private papers tell us actors I've

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read the book and I don't remember that

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exactly you didn't read this Ramsey

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books up yeah yeah the Ramsey book the

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new book yeah oh you did read that yeah

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okay and and all I think is that in

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private papers there is nothing

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definitive yes either Newton or Scully

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as far as confessing anything well in

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other words that they seem to stand by

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their stories both of them in the things

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that they've written but that does not

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make those stories true nor does it even

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mean that they actually did believe

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these stories

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themselves usually yeah I mean I can't

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think of it any other way

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yes I waited through the Ramsey book and

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it's interesting and there's a lot of

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documents attached to it and some of

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them don't seem to really be pertinent

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and some of them you can hardly read and

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I don't know I didn't get a lot out of

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that

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talked to him on the phone once I don't

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really know him but everybody says he's

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a nice guy but he must be pretty

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gullible to believe the Aztec story okay

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so you met also Silas Newton same

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impression or straight deceptive what

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well again I I didn't nothing he said

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impressed me positively for instance I

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remember there was one horrendous hoax

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that everybody took as a joke that was a

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currently at that time a story from one

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of the newspapers in Los Angeles I

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forget maybe that it was there in earth

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science but anyway the fellow walked in

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one day and asked for job and he had

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strange powers he looked normal in human

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and but they called him the new Zeo for

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some reasons I guess he mentioned being

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from Venus and he had great powers of

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Investigation and did very well of the

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paper and the only other thing I

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remember is that he once was asked to

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put his thumbprint on some kind of a

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metal table let's say and they then

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found that it would take 1,700 pounds of

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pressure to make a thumbprint as deep as

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he did so we learned from all of that

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that he had strange powers and he was

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from another planet and he disappeared

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after a few weeks and the whole thing

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was 99.9% I just say inside joke among

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some newspaper men that it and they

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didn't mind if other people heard about

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it I mean that was just worse than a

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stack and that was one of the stories

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that that

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Newton told me as being interesting in

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current and through heard at that time

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of course so I mean if he could swallow

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that what hope is there for him I don't

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know

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the only other interesting thing is that

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I happen to get to meet Newton in in

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Denver Colorado on the 29th of December

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1953 which was exact day that he was

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convicted

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that's almost I don't know what you

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would call that but I got to Denver and

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the headquarter of the headline in one

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of the newspapers that day was

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doodlebugs hair convicted Doodlebug was

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the name of this machine that they used

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to discover oil supposedly and and it

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was Newton and Joe Bauer who were

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convicted that day so I had not made an

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appointment or anything to talk to

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Newton and I had no idea even if he was

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in town I was strange in those days I

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never made appointments I just went to a

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city and nine out of ten times the

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person that they wanted to meet would be

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there and everything would go fine so I

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called up Newton the hungry phone and I

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was fearful that he'd be all upset about

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the conviction and so forth and that he

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wouldn't want to see me and he was very

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nice he said yeah well I'm tired hearing

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that way

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okay so basically summing this up in

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your point of view Jim Mosley Aztek was

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a hoax and Scott Ramsey may believe

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who's been in the UFO field for three or

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four thousand years at least and we were

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yes what did you think of him he's very

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sincere he and Suzanne I had Suzanne on

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to the very sincere about the case

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obviously you can call the book a case

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for the prosecution

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but the defense may be the one that

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prevails this time the prosecution being

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in favor of a UFO crash the defense

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saying nothing happened

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wouldn't it be the other way around but

618
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never mind you're right Jim well it

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depends if you say prosecution is in

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favor of something happening and the

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defense saying no it didn't happen well

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if you put it that way perhaps there is

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one thing in the books in in Scully's

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original book and I suppose it's

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repeated in Ramsey's books and I'm sure

626
00:28:22,289 --> 00:28:19,839
it has to be a little bit of it there

627
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somewhere and and that's this thing

628
00:28:27,059 --> 00:28:25,029
about the system of nine have you heard

629
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of that dream I've heard of it but I

630
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think you gotta tell our listeners this

631
00:28:35,459 --> 00:28:31,749
is really really fascinating or weird

632
00:28:38,579 --> 00:28:35,469
this is one of the main contentions in

633
00:28:41,999 --> 00:28:38,589
in in the Scully book the system of

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nines would be just that which I'll try

635
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to explain but I'll start out this way

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00:28:51,689 --> 00:28:48,609
we use a system of pens no doubt because

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00:28:53,639 --> 00:28:51,699
we have translators ignorance and so it

638
00:28:56,999 --> 00:28:53,649
would be reasonable and logical that we

639
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would do our mathematical system that

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way now I this is just on the borderline

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of my knowledge of math I know you can

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do a system of nines or tens or any

643
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reasonable number that you want and and

644
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,759
that can be done that you can

645
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restructure the math

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radical thing so that it comes out that

647
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way but that has nothing to do with the

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following

649
00:29:29,159 --> 00:29:26,519
they claim that the dimensions of

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several sources were taking just the one

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00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:31,750
that supposedly Clara has that and

652
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because they say others first elsewhere

653
00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:37,240
the dimensions of these saucers are

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either ending at nine like one dimension

655
00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:45,610
is ninety-nine point nine nine feet

656
00:29:52,379 --> 00:29:48,580
which is extremely strange or other

657
00:29:56,430 --> 00:29:52,389
dimensions are like eighteen inches or

658
00:29:59,700 --> 00:29:56,440
something what there is no connection

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00:30:02,879 --> 00:29:59,710
between things ending in nine or a

660
00:30:05,399 --> 00:30:02,889
multiple of nine would you say they say

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also happens a design or a multiple of

662
00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:08,860
nine has nothing whatever to do with a

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00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:11,830
system of nines and if you did it the

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way I'm thinking which is too complex to

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explain and I barely understand it

666
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:20,259
myself you would just leave nine out and

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you'd go one two three four five six

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00:30:28,499 --> 00:30:25,659
seven eight ten nine would be missing if

669
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he did it that way okay and so nothing

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00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:32,409
would end in mind and not everything but

671
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the worst thing is that the dimensions

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are in feet and inches and that that

673
00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:42,309
doesn't give a use feeding inches

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00:30:47,369 --> 00:30:44,980
another planet they are they use feet in

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00:30:50,639 --> 00:30:47,379
inches outside the United States on this

676
00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:50,649
planet well that's right we stubbornly

677
00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:53,350
stick to that which is part of an

678
00:30:58,799 --> 00:30:55,750
ancient era British system and we're a

679
00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:58,809
former British colony now I'm not sure

680
00:31:04,259 --> 00:31:01,480
how many of the other former colonies

681
00:31:06,749 --> 00:31:04,269
still use feet in inches but I think

682
00:31:10,769 --> 00:31:06,759
most of them use the metric system which

683
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:10,779
is another form of system of tens but

684
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:13,450
much better than feet in inches so the

685
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:16,330
point is when I remember this distinctly

686
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,360
in 1950 when I read the book the first

687
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,240
time and it was a little hard to take

688
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:24,399
but when I got to that I always had a

689
00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:27,850
vaguely mathematical bent and not like

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00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:28,600
to be an

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00:31:33,630 --> 00:31:30,850
Janee or anything where I just enjoyed

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00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:33,640
math in school and went as far as I

693
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:36,520
wanted to in it and what I saw there's

694
00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:38,740
stuff about the system of nine I said

695
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:39,580
that does it

696
00:31:44,670 --> 00:31:41,890
this is impossible therefore the whole

697
00:31:45,690 --> 00:31:44,680
thing is nonsense I mean that was what

698
00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:45,700
did it for me

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00:31:51,210 --> 00:31:47,830
and the other thing that goes with that

700
00:31:54,150 --> 00:31:51,220
is magnetic lines of force are you

701
00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:54,160
familiar with them explain to our

702
00:31:57,570 --> 00:31:55,420
listeners you got explained to our

703
00:31:59,340 --> 00:31:57,580
listeners when you talk about things

704
00:32:02,250 --> 00:31:59,350
like this because it may be something

705
00:32:04,530 --> 00:32:02,260
that it's not on their radar well I

706
00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:04,540
don't know much about magnetics and

707
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:06,190
wives of course I'd have to have

708
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:09,330
Scully's look in front of me but somehow

709
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:13,600
these spaceships propel themselves not

710
00:32:21,090 --> 00:32:16,930
with any kind of fuel fossil fuel or

711
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:21,100
other fuel at any time there is a method

712
00:32:27,770 --> 00:32:23,050
that I cannot explain to you at this

713
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:27,780
time whereby they travel by crossing

714
00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:30,250
magnetic lines and forth apparently

715
00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:32,790
these lines are all through the universe

716
00:32:38,430 --> 00:32:35,950
but here's the point Jim all that stuff

717
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:38,440
could be ignored and there still could

718
00:32:44,010 --> 00:32:41,770
have been I say could have been a UFO

719
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:44,020
crash at Aztec New Mexico and all this

720
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:46,810
theorizing is just nonsense and window

721
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:48,250
present having nothing to do with

722
00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:50,220
anything

723
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:53,950
flame that they measured a spaceship and

724
00:33:00,240 --> 00:32:58,330
its dimensions all end in nine or Volvos

725
00:33:01,770 --> 00:33:00,250
of nine they know regardless even if

726
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:01,780
they know that there's no reason to

727
00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:03,550
think that's their measuring system I

728
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:05,380
mean let's measure one of our cars and

729
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:07,330
come up with something and okay this

730
00:33:16,590 --> 00:33:10,090
Honda is 193 inches long so it's a

731
00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:16,600
system of fries I don't know it doesn't

732
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:18,460
make the Honda less real it just means

733
00:33:22,770 --> 00:33:21,010
people are interpreting something in a

734
00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:22,780
ridiculous way but here's another thing

735
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:27,700
that I went well I did talk to Wes on

736
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:29,890
the phone and he was a pleasant and

737
00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:31,990
everything now remember this system of

738
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:34,030
noise is mentioned again and again it's

739
00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:36,550
Joey's book and I believe it's probably

740
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:39,700
taking part in Times articles which I'm

741
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:40,330
not

742
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:44,730
yes but I mentioned it to Ramsay and I

743
00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:48,010
don't necessarily have his precise words

744
00:33:54,269 --> 00:33:50,740
but very close to this is what he said

745
00:33:57,299 --> 00:33:54,279
either it wasn't important or more

746
00:34:00,299 --> 00:33:57,309
likely he said yes I don't remember who

747
00:34:02,610 --> 00:34:00,309
said that well I think that is really

748
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:02,620
what he said well who said it would be

749
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:05,679
skully in Scully's book so his remarks

750
00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:08,889
was off the subject and ridiculous

751
00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:11,080
obviously he wanted to downplay the

752
00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:13,480
system of names because it makes no

753
00:34:18,750 --> 00:34:16,470
sense that's all I'm saying about that

754
00:34:21,060 --> 00:34:18,760
okay making sense

755
00:34:23,579 --> 00:34:21,070
I wonder with all this a lot of people

756
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:23,589
don't take as text seriously although

757
00:34:29,369 --> 00:34:26,470
obviously Ramsay's one of the few but

758
00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:29,379
Stanton Friedman wrote the introduction

759
00:34:35,609 --> 00:34:32,830
to the book thank you for leading me

760
00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:35,619
into my next topic yeah I do that I just

761
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:38,020
kind of say where are you going

762
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:40,570
Stanton Friedman is a very nice guy I've

763
00:34:45,629 --> 00:34:43,450
known him since the sixties we got on

764
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:45,639
the lecture circuit and just about the

765
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:49,089
same time in in the mid sixties and I

766
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:52,210
got off the circuit after a few years

767
00:34:58,770 --> 00:34:55,330
and he continued on and got better and

768
00:35:00,210 --> 00:34:58,780
lots of money in other words he made a

769
00:35:02,430 --> 00:35:00,220
living out of this which I don't

770
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:02,440
begrudge him all these years he's

771
00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:04,900
written a handful of books he's written

772
00:35:10,770 --> 00:35:08,200
endless papers as he calls them and he's

773
00:35:14,970 --> 00:35:10,780
gone to hundreds of conventions as their

774
00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:14,980
lecturer and he's very prolific and does

775
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:17,950
everything very well however he could

776
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:22,089
not resist you my form of making a

777
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:25,930
living if he were like I am down the

778
00:35:30,030 --> 00:35:27,490
middle with this stuff in other words

779
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:30,040
they're sub stuff I believe the reasons

780
00:35:34,589 --> 00:35:31,930
that seem reasonable to me and some of

781
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,599
it I don't Friedman believes almost

782
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,119
everything he believes in Roswell that

783
00:35:43,230 --> 00:35:39,760
he will even has that he believes in

784
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:43,240
mj-12 he believes in the book we were

785
00:35:48,809 --> 00:35:46,089
talking about on the phone yesterday how

786
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:48,819
you think shoot them down explain to our

787
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:51,609
listeners this is a book where we're

788
00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:53,640
talking about waters by the military

789
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:55,619
allegedly in the late 40s and early 50s

790
00:36:02,059 --> 00:35:58,500
to shoot down UFOs or attempt to shoot

791
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:02,069
down UFOs right right well he I have not

792
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:04,380
seen that book and some kind person will

793
00:36:09,799 --> 00:36:07,200
probably send me one especially since I

794
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:09,809
did this radio show today but however

795
00:36:14,769 --> 00:36:12,210
that may be I think he did a

796
00:36:19,579 --> 00:36:14,779
introduction for a shoot them down also

797
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:19,589
so it is to his advantage to believe

798
00:36:29,059 --> 00:36:25,680
most of the big items in the pantry of

799
00:36:31,759 --> 00:36:29,069
saucer activity tonight say because if

800
00:36:34,549 --> 00:36:31,769
he didn't he couldn't sell his many

801
00:36:37,220 --> 00:36:34,559
books and he couldn't be popular among

802
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:37,230
the hardcore I'll tell you what we have

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this hardcore announcement to make

804
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we have Jim Mosley you're with Jean and

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Chris you're in the para cast America's

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we are the gcn radio network ray Perkins

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a reclusive veteran burned out from the

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Gulf War lives tortured by relentless

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perplexing nightmares nightmares of a

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horrific battle in deep space and of a

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mysterious woman suffering and agony for

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her devastated world a woman not yet

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time in 17 years he's back once again

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[Music]

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commenting and listening to the parrot

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[Music]

912
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:14,890
with gene and Chris we have Jim Mosely

913
00:41:17,970 --> 00:41:16,570
editor of saucer smear a little bit

914
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later Jim will tell you how to get a

915
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copy by the way listeners if you want to

916
00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:23,140
hear Frank Ficino jr. and Stanton

917
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:24,940
Friedman and Frank wrote the book shoot

918
00:41:31,890 --> 00:41:28,890
him down we had them on the October 7th

919
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:31,900
2007 edition of the para cast so you get

920
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:34,180
a sense then of what's going on and

921
00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:36,010
parent he also has another book the

922
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:38,500
Braxton County monster revised edition

923
00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:41,130
with also forward and epilogue by

924
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:43,420
Stanton Friedman yes

925
00:41:49,230 --> 00:41:46,810
and I really would want to read at least

926
00:41:52,530 --> 00:41:49,240
one of those books because it's all

927
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:52,540
based and where the mystery point is the

928
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,910
flatwoods monster which is just one

929
00:41:59,160 --> 00:41:56,880
little incident and I don't know how he

930
00:42:01,320 --> 00:41:59,170
how he brought in all that other stuff

931
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,330
which is probably non-existent but I

932
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,000
can't be sure until I read the book the

933
00:42:07,170 --> 00:42:05,680
point is that let me go back to the

934
00:42:08,970 --> 00:42:07,180
point of the flatwoods monster since

935
00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:08,980
that seems to be the focal point now

936
00:42:14,570 --> 00:42:11,980
this is what 1952 it was the first or

937
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:14,580
maybe one of the last serious UFO cases

938
00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:17,290
investigated by the late great Barker so

939
00:42:23,490 --> 00:42:21,400
this was before I don't know what you

940
00:42:26,310 --> 00:42:23,500
bring by that he rarely went out

941
00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:26,320
physically to investigate anything what

942
00:42:31,770 --> 00:42:29,260
uh either before or after that and what

943
00:42:34,410 --> 00:42:31,780
you're trying to say is that incident

944
00:42:37,470 --> 00:42:34,420
got him into the saucer field because he

945
00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:37,480
lived in West Virginia and probably know

946
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:39,480
I'd say a hundred miles from flatwoods

947
00:42:45,540 --> 00:42:42,790
actually flat was who was just maybe

948
00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:45,550
five or ten miles from the Potter part

949
00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:47,500
of what if you go out to flat woods to

950
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:50,369
see this or they do this by telephone

951
00:42:55,590 --> 00:42:52,570
okay that's what I was saying that was

952
00:42:57,540 --> 00:42:55,600
my point that he actually investigated

953
00:43:00,000 --> 00:42:57,550
this well that's what kind of started on

954
00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:00,010
flying saucers and and Ivan Sanderson

955
00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:03,160
also went there in person but all you

956
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:07,030
have there is a group of teenagers and

957
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:10,720
one older lady all of them frightened

958
00:43:18,570 --> 00:43:14,230
and going up a hill or a tiny mountain

959
00:43:20,420 --> 00:43:18,580
in the dark and confused and they didn't

960
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:20,430
even give exactly the same

961
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:23,680
interpretations of what they saw even

962
00:43:26,610 --> 00:43:24,310
though they're all

963
00:43:29,310 --> 00:43:26,620
together it's almost like they make the

964
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:29,320
reality TV shows today where they shoot

965
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:31,210
footage at night and make it look as

966
00:43:35,490 --> 00:43:32,650
frightening as possible for those who

967
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:35,500
watch or have seen chasing UFOs or any

968
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:37,930
of these other shows on TV they do that

969
00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:38,710
kind of thing

970
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:42,280
now I haven't read any of the monthly

971
00:43:49,230 --> 00:43:45,280
stuff for a long time but the big thing

972
00:43:52,860 --> 00:43:49,240
was some kind of a floating monster with

973
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:52,870
the peculiar eyes and so on and one or

974
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:56,170
more of the debunkers I don't remember

975
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:58,450
which ones now but they claimed that

976
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:01,920
what they probably saw was a large owl

977
00:44:07,620 --> 00:44:05,710
and that sounds comical and usually when

978
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:07,630
the debunkers come up with something

979
00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:10,720
that are off-the-wall I just laugh and

980
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,030
don't pay any attention to it but then I

981
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:15,280
got thinking about it just recently and

982
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:18,040
maybe they did see a giant owl because

983
00:44:23,310 --> 00:44:21,070
there if you go back and read at least

984
00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:23,320
one of the descriptions it sounds like

985
00:44:28,650 --> 00:44:26,020
it could be that well whatever it was it

986
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:28,660
wasn't part of a whole interplanetary

987
00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:32,110
warfare a thing and it's disgraceful for

988
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:35,350
a bright intelligent man like staring

989
00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:39,300
the Friedmann to write two introductions

990
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:42,580
he writes for two articles in each book

991
00:44:47,550 --> 00:44:45,850
a foreword and a afterward or something

992
00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:47,560
it wasn't it wasn't that what you said

993
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,660
well in one book yeah he writes the

994
00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:51,760
forward and the epilogue so that wait a

995
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:54,460
couple of thousand words and have his

996
00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:56,710
name attached to a book but one is the

997
00:45:02,010 --> 00:44:58,260
introduction one is the epilogue

998
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:02,020
therefore he's a book writer well his

999
00:45:07,710 --> 00:45:04,210
name is helping to sell the book that's

1000
00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:07,720
all and and it feeds from both sides

1001
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:10,840
since his name is in it as one of the

1002
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:14,410
writers in it it makes it more likely

1003
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:16,740
that people will buy it when he stands

1004
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:19,450
endlessly at these conventions selling

1005
00:45:22,650 --> 00:45:22,090
books to the people the god of this

1006
00:45:25,230 --> 00:45:22,660
adventure

1007
00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:25,240
I mean sure they would if they're

1008
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:26,950
interested in nothing something to hear

1009
00:45:32,250 --> 00:45:29,320
him though we're interested in any book

1010
00:45:34,740 --> 00:45:32,260
that he's had something to do with but

1011
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:34,750
that doesn't make anything true you see

1012
00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:37,210
the reason that he's making a living

1013
00:45:40,590 --> 00:45:37,780
from

1014
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:40,600
and I'm making absolutely nothing is

1015
00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:44,890
because he knows how to do it and I have

1016
00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:46,990
no hope of making a living from this so

1017
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:49,990
I don't even try to do it in a way that

1018
00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:53,110
would work financially so the confession

1019
00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:55,390
here you're making is at Friedman

1020
00:46:02,160 --> 00:45:59,050
deliberately withhold skepticism because

1021
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:02,170
of the lectures exactly he has a

1022
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,290
master's degree in science and he talked

1023
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:10,480
too many times that he didn't go to the

1024
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:12,370
trouble of getting his doctorate because

1025
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,730
that adds to anybody's prestige but he's

1026
00:46:20,190 --> 00:46:17,200
got a beard

1027
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:20,200
which you know okay he had a beard a lot

1028
00:46:25,020 --> 00:46:22,390
of serious people have beards especially

1029
00:46:28,290 --> 00:46:25,030
scientists few days and that makes him

1030
00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:28,300
more impressive and you know I don't

1031
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:30,430
begrudge him any of this but whether

1032
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:33,010
he's sticking with the truth I would

1033
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:35,410
doubt it because as I started to say a

1034
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,330
moment ago he's intelligent enough

1035
00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:39,760
surely to know that a lot of this is

1036
00:46:45,870 --> 00:46:43,120
nonsense but he he stuck with this wheel

1037
00:46:49,020 --> 00:46:45,880
he's been in it since many years and if

1038
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:49,030
he starts just picking out the nonsense

1039
00:46:54,090 --> 00:46:51,370
I don't he won't have too much left at

1040
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:54,100
least that's the way I would say yeah

1041
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:56,410
that was a really good point uh one

1042
00:47:00,450 --> 00:46:57,850
thing about stand that I find very

1043
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:00,460
interesting is once he makes a stand

1044
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:03,810
about a particular case or a particular

1045
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:07,960
you know analysis of a case let's say it

1046
00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:09,910
come hell or high water he's gonna stick

1047
00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:13,870
to his guns and case yeah he does not he

1048
00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:15,670
I've never heard santen Friedman admit

1049
00:47:20,910 --> 00:47:16,990
that maybe he was wrong

1050
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,920
never you you have excellent point he

1051
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:22,960
and I have argued and I'm sure he's

1052
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:25,210
argued with other people about it you

1053
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:27,300
know there were 12 people in mj-12

1054
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:29,350
strange that there would be twelve

1055
00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:33,060
people but that's the way it was and the

1056
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:35,830
knowledge that we now have about the

1057
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:38,170
alleged mj-12 group didn't come out

1058
00:47:43,350 --> 00:47:40,690
until the last of the twelve they were

1059
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:43,360
all real people when they were alive but

1060
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,370
by the time we heard about the group all

1061
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:47,920
of them were dead now one of the twelve

1062
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:48,630
this

1063
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:50,940
the one that I and some other people

1064
00:47:58,310 --> 00:47:54,030
find most interesting with doctor Donald

1065
00:48:01,460 --> 00:47:58,320
Menzel who was the what would we say the

1066
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:01,470
head of Harvard Observatory which is a

1067
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:04,800
very prestigious title to have and I met

1068
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:08,220
him a couple of times etc but the point

1069
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:11,640
is he wrote several anti saucer books

1070
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:15,000
very much like no plastic in later years

1071
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:20,280
and he was very strongly anti UFO and

1072
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:23,760
and some of his debunking arguments were

1073
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:26,130
absurd but we could get into that later

1074
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:28,110
it was very emotional I saw him once on

1075
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:30,540
a TV show I think was called open minds

1076
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:34,680
not like the current publication NBC he

1077
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:37,170
was on with John G Fuller and he had

1078
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:40,730
almost an emotional breakdown on the air

1079
00:48:46,850 --> 00:48:44,610
talking about UFOs and I can't think the

1080
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:46,860
person who's faking it like he's

1081
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:49,020
supposed to do would be that emotionally

1082
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:51,420
vested in it nobody can be that good a

1083
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,760
liar I don't think well yes but just

1084
00:49:02,270 --> 00:48:59,520
going back to that I never talked about

1085
00:49:04,940 --> 00:49:02,280
it because I didn't remember as you do

1086
00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:04,950
what show it was but there is a strong

1087
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:07,560
rumor and you just confirmed that he got

1088
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:11,250
so upset excited that he I think for

1089
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:13,110
years had a heart condition they were

1090
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:14,610
afraid he's gonna have a heart attack

1091
00:49:19,850 --> 00:49:17,910
and I think the shorten it ever got him

1092
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:19,860
off the air or did something because he

1093
00:49:27,260 --> 00:49:25,170
was really going under John fuller tried

1094
00:49:30,350 --> 00:49:27,270
to asking questions about a specific

1095
00:49:32,090 --> 00:49:30,360
case and Menzel couldn't answer

1096
00:49:33,380 --> 00:49:32,100
obviously Menzel was shooting from the

1097
00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:33,390
hip he was making it up he had no

1098
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:35,790
knowledge of what was going on but the

1099
00:49:40,340 --> 00:49:38,310
point is he was emotionally vested in

1100
00:49:41,330 --> 00:49:40,350
being a debunker it's not somebody who's

1101
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,340
a hired hand

1102
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:42,960
you know hired hand he's gonna be

1103
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:45,330
somebody who's gonna come across smooth

1104
00:49:50,540 --> 00:49:48,330
efficient everything and his basic

1105
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:50,550
interest would be to express a point of

1106
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,400
view yes he can sound sincere but there

1107
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:55,520
is a point where sincerity becomes

1108
00:49:59,780 --> 00:49:58,440
outright emotional breakdown and this

1109
00:50:01,570 --> 00:49:59,790
was the point of emotional breakdown

1110
00:50:08,060 --> 00:50:01,580
well

1111
00:50:10,610 --> 00:50:08,070
the one of the points here is that dr.

1112
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:10,620
Menzel was supposed to have been

1113
00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:14,010
knowledgeable about the alien crash at

1114
00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:16,940
Roswell and perhaps even been one of the

1115
00:50:23,330 --> 00:50:20,790
scientists involved in investigating it

1116
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:23,340
and according to Friedman and he won't

1117
00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:26,010
back down he's gone to an infinite

1118
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:29,750
amount of trouble he went to various

1119
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:33,210
libraries and places that people's

1120
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:36,330
deceased records are kept and so on and

1121
00:50:42,110 --> 00:50:39,420
he has found out that Wenzel I did some

1122
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:42,120
interesting things he the most urgent

1123
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:44,760
thing was that during World War two he

1124
00:50:50,540 --> 00:50:47,940
was in the code-breaking business I

1125
00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:50,550
forget what the proper word is but so he

1126
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:52,740
he wasn't some interesting things but

1127
00:50:58,310 --> 00:50:55,410
there is nothing that a man's wealth

1128
00:51:00,650 --> 00:50:58,320
that Friedman found anywhere and he did

1129
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:00,660
go to a lot of trouble and time looking

1130
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,150
for all this stuff but he won't face the

1131
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:06,000
fact that he cannot quote a single

1132
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:09,420
document that indicates that Menzel had

1133
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:12,540
anything to do with with Roswell or that

1134
00:51:18,050 --> 00:51:15,330
there ever was a group called mj-12 now

1135
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:18,060
we'll get into more of mj-12 and Donald

1136
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:20,070
Menzel and Stanton Friedman and so many

1137
00:51:25,210 --> 00:51:22,290
more things so many more people were

1138
00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:25,220
going to attack today from Jim Mosley

1139
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:41,240
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1155
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1156
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that's juicy and live.com hi this is Ted

1157
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:21,090
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1159
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won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

1160
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1161
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industry won't recognize the value of

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1178
00:54:03,609 --> 00:53:59,529
welcome back to to the para cast the

1179
00:54:11,229 --> 00:54:03,619
gold standard of paranormal radio and

1180
00:54:13,989 --> 00:54:11,239
now here's Jane Steinberg the one the

1181
00:54:16,989 --> 00:54:13,999
only Jim Mosely editor of saucer smear

1182
00:54:18,789 --> 00:54:16,999
and we're talking about UFO researcher

1183
00:54:20,349 --> 00:54:18,799
Stanton Friedman who now will never come

1184
00:54:21,699 --> 00:54:20,359
on the power cast again after we've

1185
00:54:24,909 --> 00:54:21,709
attacked him mercilessly

1186
00:54:27,279 --> 00:54:24,919
but it's Jim's fault Stan Jim did it I

1187
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,289
didn't know I blame it on Jim everything

1188
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:29,359
is Jim's fault but the key point here

1189
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:31,729
Jim that maybe we should point out is

1190
00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:35,209
that any scientist of note who was

1191
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:38,329
prominent in the 50s and 60s and 70s and

1192
00:54:43,419 --> 00:54:41,839
was middle-aged or beyond probably was

1193
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:43,429
involved in some kind of government

1194
00:54:49,089 --> 00:54:45,049
program during World War two nothing

1195
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:49,099
unusual about that oh sure and I brought

1196
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,529
this up with Friedman just recently

1197
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:53,119
we've been going back and forth

1198
00:54:58,419 --> 00:54:55,729
this has been going on for 35 years this

1199
00:54:58,899 --> 00:54:58,429
debate this debate has been going on for

1200
00:55:01,029 --> 00:54:58,909
decades

1201
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:01,039
we're taking a little point it's been

1202
00:55:06,189 --> 00:55:03,650
going on for a few months and I've had a

1203
00:55:10,539 --> 00:55:06,199
couple of letters and smear from

1204
00:55:13,659 --> 00:55:10,549
Friedman on the subject but I thought I

1205
00:55:16,409 --> 00:55:13,669
had Friedman into a corner because I

1206
00:55:19,870 --> 00:55:16,419
said how could it be if he knew about

1207
00:55:22,419 --> 00:55:19,880
Roswell and so on and he knew as a fact

1208
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:22,429
then that saucers aren't in a planetary

1209
00:55:28,539 --> 00:55:25,249
and they have landed here why would he

1210
00:55:30,429 --> 00:55:28,549
go out of his way after the war and so

1211
00:55:32,259 --> 00:55:30,439
on then for many years

1212
00:55:34,049 --> 00:55:32,269
I don't remember just how many books he

1213
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,059
wrote but the three four or five

1214
00:55:39,459 --> 00:55:36,799
debunking saucers wouldn't he at least

1215
00:55:42,579 --> 00:55:39,469
not bother to do that missions he knew

1216
00:55:42,969 --> 00:55:42,589
the truth and Friedman won't go for that

1217
00:55:45,789 --> 00:55:42,979
either

1218
00:55:48,429 --> 00:55:45,799
oh sure if he was under orders the

1219
00:55:50,859 --> 00:55:48,439
Friedman's big thing is that Randall can

1220
00:55:54,339 --> 00:55:50,869
keep a secret better than anyone else

1221
00:55:56,859 --> 00:55:54,349
and he had a security check at some

1222
00:55:59,799 --> 00:55:56,869
point in the forties I guess he passed

1223
00:56:01,870 --> 00:55:59,809
it with flying colors because everybody

1224
00:56:04,779 --> 00:56:01,880
agreed that he could absolutely heat the

1225
00:56:07,899 --> 00:56:04,789
secret so we have to believe and not

1226
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:07,909
only did he heat perfectly the secret of

1227
00:56:11,950 --> 00:56:09,170
his knowledge of

1228
00:56:16,539 --> 00:56:11,960
Roswell there so forth but he went out

1229
00:56:18,819 --> 00:56:16,549
of his way to lie in all these books and

1230
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:18,829
and that just seems contrary to human

1231
00:56:32,349 --> 00:56:26,210
nature oh there's gonna be a lot of

1232
00:56:34,210 --> 00:56:32,359
listeners boy waiting for each other to

1233
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:34,220
chime in but but you make a good point

1234
00:56:37,569 --> 00:56:34,730
Jim

1235
00:56:40,210 --> 00:56:37,579
why would somebody you know have an

1236
00:56:43,230 --> 00:56:40,220
emotional breakdown on the air being so

1237
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:43,240
vehement about his non belief in UFOs

1238
00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:46,400
coming up with ridiculous explanations

1239
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:49,700
like Oh many people think they see UFOs

1240
00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:51,529
because they have a little dust mote in

1241
00:56:56,130 --> 00:56:54,140
their eye or there's a semester I he

1242
00:56:59,079 --> 00:56:56,140
came up with some of the most ludicrous

1243
00:57:01,930 --> 00:56:59,089
explanations to explain UFOs why would

1244
00:57:04,450 --> 00:57:01,940
somebody who is being listed as one of

1245
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:04,460
the inside guys in mj-12 why would he

1246
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:08,089
spend a lifetime debunking the subject

1247
00:57:11,529 --> 00:57:09,650
so vehement Lee it doesn't make sense

1248
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:11,539
well let me let me tell you something

1249
00:57:16,990 --> 00:57:14,329
else here is one better truth research

1250
00:57:19,779 --> 00:57:17,000
that understood I don't think anybody

1251
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:19,789
else did but I might be wrong in his

1252
00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:22,670
latter years it appears that mentals

1253
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:25,630
closest friends was a retired

1254
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:28,730
psychiatrist in Boston named Ernest

1255
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,450
caves PA BES who had a doctor in the

1256
00:57:38,170 --> 00:57:35,359
course he was a psychiatrist and somehow

1257
00:57:41,319 --> 00:57:38,180
I got hold of Hayes was quite a few

1258
00:57:43,029 --> 00:57:41,329
years ago and I got a couple of letters

1259
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:43,039
I don't remember if we talked to him

1260
00:57:47,650 --> 00:57:45,650
alone - we probably did but I got a

1261
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:47,660
couple of letters for him and then just

1262
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:51,410
if it was that he in Menzel's letter

1263
00:57:56,650 --> 00:57:54,049
years that he caves was his best friend

1264
00:57:59,620 --> 00:57:56,660
and they shared everything with each

1265
00:58:02,349 --> 00:57:59,630
other and he knew mental very very well

1266
00:58:06,910 --> 00:58:02,359
he could have been exaggerating but he

1267
00:58:10,930 --> 00:58:06,920
very specifically told me that the idea

1268
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:10,940
that mental secretly knew the saucers

1269
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:14,000
were real etcetera is absolutely

1270
00:58:18,759 --> 00:58:16,250
impossible it was it would be contrary

1271
00:58:21,849 --> 00:58:18,769
to Mendel's nature and furthermore

1272
00:58:23,020 --> 00:58:21,859
according to tames if if he had been

1273
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:23,030
less they

1274
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:26,090
a witness or whatever to Rosalind and no

1275
00:58:30,730 --> 00:58:28,670
and if he knew what happened there he

1276
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:30,740
might be willing to go along with the

1277
00:58:35,650 --> 00:58:33,440
secrecy for a couple of months or so but

1278
00:58:39,070 --> 00:58:35,660
when he saw the government was going to

1279
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:39,080
keep such a a universally important

1280
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:41,930
thing secretly indefinitely they then he

1281
00:58:46,540 --> 00:58:44,210
would have spoken up now that's Davis's

1282
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:46,550
opinion that doesn't prove anything but

1283
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:49,850
if what he's saying is true that makes

1284
00:58:54,820 --> 00:58:52,640
the Freedmen's that's all wrong but

1285
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:54,830
Freedman comes right back oh he never

1286
00:58:59,350 --> 00:58:56,570
told things because he didn't tell

1287
00:59:03,190 --> 00:58:59,360
anybody even tell us why a first family

1288
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:03,200
or anybody else so what are you gonna do

1289
00:59:07,780 --> 00:59:04,730
yeah that's a good point

1290
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:07,790
I again it doesn't it doesn't make sense

1291
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,970
to me I think mostly bunkers once

1292
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,040
they've made up their mind I think they

1293
00:59:18,430 --> 00:59:14,960
have the personality type or profile

1294
00:59:21,130 --> 00:59:18,440
where the blinders go up and the curtain

1295
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:21,140
comes down and any time the subject

1296
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:22,970
comes up it's like flashing a red cape

1297
00:59:28,330 --> 00:59:24,410
in front of a bowl they just they just

1298
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:28,340
mindlessly go after it and they get to a

1299
00:59:32,530 --> 00:59:30,110
certain point in their process where

1300
00:59:38,650 --> 00:59:32,540
where they're almost robotic they go on

1301
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:38,660
autopilot education obviously a

1302
00:59:44,410 --> 00:59:41,510
brilliant man he wouldn't have been able

1303
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:44,420
to accomplish such things in his career

1304
00:59:50,290 --> 00:59:46,970
that he did but it just seems strange

1305
00:59:53,260 --> 00:59:50,300
and what a mental block he had on the

1306
00:59:56,290 --> 00:59:53,270
side of the saucer and very briefly one

1307
00:59:59,710 --> 00:59:56,300
time in the fifties I was down in Miami

1308
01:00:01,390 --> 00:59:59,720
at the time that something flew over my

1309
01:00:05,410 --> 01:00:01,400
hand me it sounds like it could have

1310
01:00:07,570 --> 01:00:05,420
been me or let's say possibly a meteor

1311
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:07,580
but something very bright across the

1312
01:00:12,610 --> 01:00:09,770
whole sky I was seen by everybody it was

1313
01:00:15,580 --> 01:00:12,620
in the papers and I happened to be there

1314
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:15,590
at that time I didn't see it but I read

1315
01:00:20,770 --> 01:00:18,290
in the newspaper that Menzel was in in

1316
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:20,780
Miami had some kind of a meeting and we

1317
01:00:27,370 --> 01:00:23,570
got hold of him on the phone and I asked

1318
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:27,380
him what this thing was and no one knows

1319
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:29,510
this but me so therefore I could be

1320
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:31,730
making it up but I swear to you what he

1321
01:00:36,210 --> 01:00:34,640
totally on the phone was it was light

1322
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:36,220
reflecting on a

1323
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:40,690
when and I said what you went over the

1324
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:43,690
whole city it was seen by everyone that

1325
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,480
looked up how could it be that nice and

1326
01:00:52,140 --> 01:00:48,880
he he repeated he said no that's what it

1327
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:52,150
was it was like a goblet and then I knew

1328
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:54,730
the man was insane and I can say that

1329
01:00:59,640 --> 01:00:57,970
because he did and his estates not going

1330
01:01:02,010 --> 01:00:59,650
to come suing anybody and by the way

1331
01:01:05,279 --> 01:01:02,020
ladies and gentlemen if you are a lawyer

1332
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:05,289
looking for some work and wish to sue

1333
01:01:11,730 --> 01:01:07,569
somebody I don't have any money

1334
01:01:14,970 --> 01:01:11,740
Chris said he sent his last check to his

1335
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:14,980
ex-wife from Finland fifty thousand

1336
01:01:19,170 --> 01:01:17,170
years ago so he doesn't have any money

1337
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:19,180
either Jim I don't know if he has any

1338
01:01:29,460 --> 01:01:26,490
but don't sue us right so anyway all

1339
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,470
having to do with the point is that we

1340
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:31,119
made which was a very good point

1341
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:34,720
Friedman never backs down no corner him

1342
01:01:42,180 --> 01:01:38,319
I mean his case for mental having

1343
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:42,190
written in mj-12 if it existed is so

1344
01:01:47,789 --> 01:01:44,770
weak I mean it's weaker than the Aztek

1345
01:01:50,970 --> 01:01:47,799
case like he will not back out or and

1346
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:50,980
then he could have been wrong I've never

1347
01:01:56,279 --> 01:01:52,569
seen him to admit he was wrong

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01:01:59,519 --> 01:01:56,289
you're absolutely right just contrast

1349
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here Jim have you ever admitted you were

1350
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wrong Oh quite a few times and there are

1351
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even more times what I was wrong and

1352
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:08,920
didn't admit it let me just tell you

1353
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:11,200
right now I have been wrong so often

1354
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that it's pathetic I have had every and

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as Gary Clark said about me and it's one

1356
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of the unpleasant things he has said

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about me that I have to agree with

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completely and I think it's in one of

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his encyclopedias he says Jim has had

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every possible review over the years

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jim has had every possible view about

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what flying saucers are but in none of

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those papers periods that he had

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01:02:48,210 --> 01:02:44,579
anything significant to our knowledge

1365
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and I think he's pretty close on that

1366
01:02:52,410 --> 01:02:49,670
yes I

1367
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certainly have had the background and

1368
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I'm still in the process by the way to

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get semi serious as I get older here and

1370
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I am very rapidly getting older I'm I

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feel much older now than I did when this

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program started keep going you'll feel

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ten years older by the end but I really

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am

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changing my views more and more to the

1376
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point which LA and many others reached

1377
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:24,770
long ago that this is a real phenomenon

1378
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but it probably has nothing to do with

1379
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with the things coming in from other

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planets and I'll tell you what before we

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with gene and Chris in the para cast

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we've got the one the only the legendary

1498
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Jim Mosely so legendary that he's now

1499
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gonna tell you how it you can get

1500
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yourself a real genuine physical copy of

1501
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saucer smear Jim yes smear is easy to

1502
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,900
get a bite mail I'm old fashioned I'm

1503
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:33,600
not on the Internet in any way that I

1504
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:37,799
know of but you can write to me or just

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anybody in general at p.o box 1 709 Key

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West Florida 3 304 one and I will be

1507
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glad to send you a free sample copy and

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01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:53,730
then we'll go on from there and if I can

1509
01:08:57,370 --> 01:08:56,490
get a few dollars out of you I will be

1510
01:08:59,289 --> 01:08:57,380
glad

1511
01:09:01,149 --> 01:08:59,299
that's all it takes and some money and

1512
01:09:04,089 --> 01:09:01,159
Jim will send you anything he consent

1513
01:09:07,959 --> 01:09:04,099
yeah but mostly it'll be in the form of

1514
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:07,969
copies of saucer smear so anyway I don't

1515
01:09:14,649 --> 01:09:11,329
think there has ever been a saucer crash

1516
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:14,659
I say crash anywhere that's my latest

1517
01:09:18,489 --> 01:09:16,489
view okay so you're saying there's a

1518
01:09:23,140 --> 01:09:18,499
reason there's some explanation

1519
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:23,150
well that will satisfy anyone or any of

1520
01:09:27,819 --> 01:09:26,210
these crash cases alleged crash cases it

1521
01:09:30,220 --> 01:09:27,829
will satisfy the explanation that

1522
01:09:34,059 --> 01:09:30,230
they're not something that involved ET

1523
01:09:36,339 --> 01:09:34,069
there's several points here if people or

1524
01:09:40,419 --> 01:09:36,349
whoever whatever from other planets

1525
01:09:42,759 --> 01:09:40,429
are as advanced as we think they are or

1526
01:09:44,890 --> 01:09:42,769
if creatures were another dimension or

1527
01:09:48,129 --> 01:09:44,900
whatever it is if they're highly

1528
01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:48,139
advanced as they seem to be why do they

1529
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:50,900
have to crash a cage away just because I

1530
01:09:55,540 --> 01:09:53,839
don't aircraft crash occasionally in

1531
01:09:57,819 --> 01:09:55,550
other words if they're supposedly

1532
01:10:01,390 --> 01:09:57,829
hundreds thousands or millions of years

1533
01:10:03,250 --> 01:10:01,400
ahead of us and they still crash I mean

1534
01:10:05,379 --> 01:10:03,260
that's like saying they never grow up

1535
01:10:07,239 --> 01:10:05,389
there they just have a mind like a baby

1536
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:07,249
for their whole life I mean it makes no

1537
01:10:11,290 --> 01:10:08,570
sense at all

1538
01:10:13,450 --> 01:10:11,300
so I would assume there if these things

1539
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:13,460
are as advanced as they seem to be I

1540
01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:16,010
don't think they crash but I do think

1541
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:18,920
they have landed voluntarily a number of

1542
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:22,960
times but in less spectacular cases

1543
01:10:28,689 --> 01:10:27,409
nothing as fantastic or classic or

1544
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:28,699
whatever you want to call it as a

1545
01:10:33,790 --> 01:10:31,130
Roswell or Aztecs or whatever that

1546
01:10:36,459 --> 01:10:33,800
there's been as you know both of you

1547
01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:36,469
know there have been over the years not

1548
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:39,710
much in recent years but through the 40s

1549
01:10:45,129 --> 01:10:42,050
through the through the seventies I

1550
01:10:48,509 --> 01:10:45,139
would say dozens I don't know how many

1551
01:10:51,729 --> 01:10:48,519
dozens of cases where some small craft

1552
01:10:53,649 --> 01:10:51,739
comes down to earth in many of these

1553
01:10:56,859 --> 01:10:53,659
cases there's one two three four

1554
01:10:59,229 --> 01:10:56,869
witnesses nearby but never a whole bunch

1555
01:11:01,959 --> 01:10:59,239
of people and the creatures come out of

1556
01:11:03,700 --> 01:11:01,969
the craft they each and every time looks

1557
01:11:05,589 --> 01:11:03,710
somewhat different from the last time

1558
01:11:09,310 --> 01:11:05,599
and they never look this thing the

1559
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:09,320
saucer never looks the same but they you

1560
01:11:12,459 --> 01:11:10,489
have to say that

1561
01:11:15,850 --> 01:11:12,469
most of these people are telling the

1562
01:11:18,610 --> 01:11:15,860
truth and that something landed but he

1563
01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:18,620
landed and then it takes off and that's

1564
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:21,860
why not too many people actually see it

1565
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:24,770
as you don't know when where this very

1566
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:28,130
rare type of thing that will happen as

1567
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:30,650
you probably both know or we could all

1568
01:11:38,410 --> 01:11:34,130
remember together when I lived up in New

1569
01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:38,420
Jersey which I did up until 1983 there

1570
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:42,350
was an incident I believe it was 1974 it

1571
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:45,890
might have been 1975 in which a saucer

1572
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:49,040
came down in a city park right in the

1573
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:51,410
town next to the town that I lived in it

1574
01:11:55,900 --> 01:11:53,690
was just a mile or two from where I live

1575
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:55,910
now I feel by the way this is about

1576
01:12:01,540 --> 01:11:59,120
Hopkins story that's coming up yeah okay

1577
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:01,550
let's hear the whole thing well that's

1578
01:12:07,060 --> 01:12:03,530
interesting you say about Hopkins story

1579
01:12:09,729 --> 01:12:07,070
but Barda Hopkins lived in management

1580
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,739
like she just died recently he I don't

1581
01:12:14,590 --> 01:12:11,840
say he was a drunk or anything but he

1582
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:14,600
was a regular patient at a certain

1583
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:18,410
liquor store in in grace village and the

1584
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:20,239
I'm not sure if it was a night manager

1585
01:12:27,459 --> 01:12:23,330
or the owner possibly both it was the

1586
01:12:30,010 --> 01:12:27,469
main man named George Oh Barsky who

1587
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:30,020
Hopkins knew quite well because he were

1588
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:32,960
in there quite often and apparently

1589
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:35,600
according to the story a Barsky didn't

1590
01:12:41,050 --> 01:12:37,370
tell anybody

1591
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:41,060
publicly about this incident for I would

1592
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:43,489
say sounds like some five or six months

1593
01:12:49,570 --> 01:12:45,890
until after the incident happened and

1594
01:12:53,170 --> 01:12:49,580
eventually he told it to Hopkins because

1595
01:12:55,930 --> 01:12:53,180
I suppose they were friends or whatever

1596
01:12:59,770 --> 01:12:55,940
and then Hopkins made it the public and

1597
01:13:02,890 --> 01:12:59,780
so nobody heard about it so quite a bit

1598
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:02,900
later but eventually it was in the

1599
01:13:09,220 --> 01:13:06,320
newspapers and the TV crews learned how

1600
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:09,230
to interview a Barsky and I interviewed

1601
01:13:12,670 --> 01:13:11,840
him also because he certainly was easy

1602
01:13:15,970 --> 01:13:12,680
to find

1603
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:15,980
he seemed to be sincere who knows he was

1604
01:13:22,030 --> 01:13:19,130
driving home after the night shift at

1605
01:13:24,250 --> 01:13:22,040
the liquor store one night and he took

1606
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:24,260
that you could say a shortcut there's a

1607
01:13:29,049 --> 01:13:26,449
a little park there called North Hudson

1608
01:13:31,209 --> 01:13:29,059
Park which is very familiar to the

1609
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people in those towns right around there

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01:13:38,919 --> 01:13:35,829
because it would have to be so he saw a

1611
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:38,929
object come down I think silent language

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01:13:44,529 --> 01:13:42,320
most of them built and it either hovered

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01:13:47,020 --> 01:13:44,539
very and close to the ground or landed

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01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:47,030
on the ground maybe the number of yards

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01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:49,250
in front of him but he could see it well

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01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:51,110
enough to see several creatures start

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01:13:55,629 --> 01:13:53,210
out small creatures I don't remember

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01:13:57,819 --> 01:13:55,639
offhand just what they look like but

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01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:57,829
this is happening before but I always

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01:14:03,009 --> 01:13:59,840
get a kick out of this each of these

1621
01:14:13,870 --> 01:14:03,019
little guys had a bucket and a little

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01:14:15,370 --> 01:14:13,880
shovel and they took soil samples rocks

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01:14:19,569 --> 01:14:15,380
like they'd never seen him before it's

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01:14:22,299 --> 01:14:19,579
just yeah when they land on a river they

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01:14:24,189 --> 01:14:22,309
have a hose to get water from the river

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01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:24,199
I mean they do the very facility of

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01:14:30,939 --> 01:14:27,650
things which again is part of my new way

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01:14:33,970 --> 01:14:30,949
of looking at all this it's all show it

1629
01:14:36,339 --> 01:14:33,980
could be some kind of hologram or

1630
01:14:39,700 --> 01:14:36,349
something these are not the real people

1631
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:39,710
or or the real sausage but I mean people

1632
01:14:43,810 --> 01:14:42,050
see what they claim to the scene but

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01:14:45,490 --> 01:14:43,820
that doesn't mean that that's the real

1634
01:14:48,910 --> 01:14:45,500
thing it's like you're watching a movie

1635
01:14:52,029 --> 01:14:48,920
that it's being loop yeah exactly it's a

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01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:52,039
very good analogy we are grown up and we

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01:14:57,009 --> 01:14:54,650
know when we see a movie that the people

1638
01:14:59,979 --> 01:14:57,019
are not really there it's just a screen

1639
01:15:03,850 --> 01:14:59,989
that's a light on it and so forth but

1640
01:15:06,430 --> 01:15:03,860
you know what could I say it's something

1641
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:06,440
that we just don't understand it's

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01:15:11,109 --> 01:15:08,840
beyond our comprehension and I don't

1643
01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:11,119
think look at an answer so quite a few

1644
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:14,329
years into the future which will be too

1645
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:16,880
late for most of us but anyhow it's

1646
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:20,239
nothing let's go back to the case okay

1647
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:25,489
so they're taking soil samples now you

1648
01:15:30,220 --> 01:15:27,530
had some kind of interactions there with

1649
01:15:34,810 --> 01:15:30,230
Budd Hopkins over the years that started

1650
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:34,820
with this particular case at that time

1651
01:15:41,020 --> 01:15:38,000
how come he had not yet

1652
01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:41,030
men to abduction research or it was just

1653
01:15:46,030 --> 01:15:44,450
starting in abduction research the only

1654
01:15:49,150 --> 01:15:46,040
case that I know of

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01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,160
or than other people seem to know about

1656
01:15:53,980 --> 01:15:51,440
the other than abductions said that I

1657
01:15:56,020 --> 01:15:53,990
feel scared involved with was this and

1658
01:15:58,780 --> 01:15:56,030
this had nothing to do with abductions

1659
01:16:01,870 --> 01:15:58,790
how he was in love with this case and

1660
01:16:04,990 --> 01:16:01,880
beside hearing it from the guy who was

1661
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:05,000
the witness he somehow took charge of

1662
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:07,250
the case more or less you had to go

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through Hopkins in order to talk to a

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Barsky now that wasn't literally true I

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just went and saw a Barsky of my own I

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don't know if he really had to talk to

1667
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Hopkins about it but a Barsky told me

1668
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that opulence owns the case okay

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Hopkins owns the case is again

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fascinating we have Jim Mosely joining

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Chris we own this show you're in the

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard a paranormal radio with gene

1772
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and Chris you're in the para cast with

1773
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:12,770
Jim Mosely and we're going to find out

1774
01:21:17,919 --> 01:21:15,650
why if anyone knows but Hopkins tells

1775
01:21:21,310 --> 01:21:17,929
Jim Mosely or the messages conveyed to

1776
01:21:25,540 --> 01:21:21,320
Jim Mosely that Budd Hopkins owns this

1777
01:21:28,089 --> 01:21:25,550
case well I'm not sure in what way he

1778
01:21:30,729 --> 01:21:28,099
meant that maybe Hopkinson wanted to get

1779
01:21:33,939 --> 01:21:30,739
in on whatever money was made I'm not

1780
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:33,949
sure but the guy in a Cell they told me

1781
01:21:40,209 --> 01:21:36,560
that I never spoke to Hopkins about this

1782
01:21:43,180 --> 01:21:40,219
or anything else I only had one phone

1783
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:43,190
conversation with Hopkins in my life and

1784
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:46,010
it was very brief and unpleasant which

1785
01:21:50,859 --> 01:21:48,290
is another long story well I'm making in

1786
01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:50,869
a short story after this story a short

1787
01:21:55,419 --> 01:21:53,510
story after this story well actually it

1788
01:21:58,260 --> 01:21:55,429
ties in with this story yes so we'll

1789
01:22:00,819 --> 01:21:58,270
just go on Jim Bexley who we all know

1790
01:22:03,490 --> 01:22:00,829
lives in New York City and of course

1791
01:22:06,490 --> 01:22:03,500
that's not too far from where this

1792
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:06,500
landing happens also and I believe it

1793
01:22:12,069 --> 01:22:09,650
was one year exactly after the thing

1794
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:12,079
happened which would be maybe six months

1795
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:15,530
after it was made public Beck we decided

1796
01:22:24,399 --> 01:22:19,610
to cash in on this in his own way and he

1797
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:24,409
staged a ridiculous happening in in this

1798
01:22:32,129 --> 01:22:28,159
little park near where I lived where he

1799
01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:32,139
was what was he doing he brought in a

1800
01:22:38,979 --> 01:22:36,409
psychic from Canada I don't remember the

1801
01:22:40,780 --> 01:22:38,989
man's name and they had a seance in the

1802
01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:40,790
park and they were going to try to bring

1803
01:22:46,750 --> 01:22:44,510
back in some form these little men that

1804
01:22:49,629 --> 01:22:46,760
had landed there once before it was

1805
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:49,639
absolutely absurd but since I live so

1806
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:52,880
nearby Beckley asked me if he and some

1807
01:22:57,300 --> 01:22:55,610
friends of his couldn't use my apartment

1808
01:22:59,260 --> 01:22:57,310
as their headquarters and

1809
01:23:01,500 --> 01:22:59,270
afternoon and evening that they were

1810
01:23:04,210 --> 01:23:01,510
doing all this stuff and I said sure and

1811
01:23:07,330 --> 01:23:04,220
it turned out that nobody had called

1812
01:23:09,580 --> 01:23:07,340
Hopkins which I don't know if I tied

1813
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:09,590
this in with the idea of Hopkins owning

1814
01:23:15,580 --> 01:23:11,510
the case but it seemed odd to me that

1815
01:23:17,770 --> 01:23:15,590
Hopkins was somewhat known and I guess

1816
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:17,780
by that time he was known as a abduction

1817
01:23:22,570 --> 01:23:20,210
researcher I said was anybody called

1818
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:22,580
Hopkins about this and they hadn't been

1819
01:23:26,890 --> 01:23:24,410
looking back maybe they just didn't want

1820
01:23:28,540 --> 01:23:26,900
to so I said well I'm gonna call him and

1821
01:23:32,050 --> 01:23:28,550
I just got his name in the phone book

1822
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:32,060
and told him about this and he got

1823
01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:35,330
absolutely furious I mean serious he

1824
01:23:40,450 --> 01:23:37,940
said this is what got me and it's almost

1825
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:40,460
as exactly as he said if you don't get

1826
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:42,290
those people out of your apartment

1827
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:44,770
right now I will see to it you never

1828
01:23:49,690 --> 01:23:47,360
publish anything again for the rest of

1829
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:49,700
your life and I said well mr. Hopkins

1830
01:23:53,650 --> 01:23:51,410
you know I was just trying to be

1831
01:23:55,930 --> 01:23:53,660
courteous because they hadn't called you

1832
01:23:58,720 --> 01:23:55,940
about this and I thought I would so

1833
01:24:01,000 --> 01:23:58,730
let's forget it and that's after that we

1834
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:01,010
never spoke to each other and I did get

1835
01:24:06,490 --> 01:24:03,770
things published so screw him I'm still

1836
01:24:09,370 --> 01:24:06,500
mad and it sounds like this one keeps

1837
01:24:11,170 --> 01:24:09,380
you awake at night worrying about the

1838
01:24:14,230 --> 01:24:11,180
ghosts of Budd Hopkins coming your way

1839
01:24:16,690 --> 01:24:14,240
yeah not seriously speaking I mean you

1840
01:24:18,580 --> 01:24:16,700
know I had interactions with Ron Hopkins

1841
01:24:20,820 --> 01:24:18,590
over the years he seemed like a very

1842
01:24:23,650 --> 01:24:20,830
pleasant person so evidently something

1843
01:24:26,650 --> 01:24:23,660
about you and he made it all and well

1844
01:24:28,900 --> 01:24:26,660
he's an artist of sorts is what he

1845
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:28,910
really is he's not a scientist or

1846
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:31,490
anything like it and he probably doesn't

1847
01:24:36,750 --> 01:24:33,530
even claim to be but his background is

1848
01:24:39,730 --> 01:24:36,760
in art and our artists tend to be

1849
01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:39,740
emotional more than rational we could

1850
01:24:47,410 --> 01:24:43,910
say and so he had a emotional hang-up

1851
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:47,420
about me and maybe I'm more I guess I'm

1852
01:24:52,090 --> 01:24:49,250
more of an artist than a scientist also

1853
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:52,100
so we saw each other and conventions

1854
01:25:00,460 --> 01:24:55,760
once in a while the best time was he saw

1855
01:25:03,550 --> 01:25:00,470
me walking by a rural area of living

1856
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:03,560
room what we say lobby of a motel and he

1857
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:05,930
was sitting with some fans and talking

1858
01:25:10,180 --> 01:25:09,050
to them and I was walking by with my

1859
01:25:13,209 --> 01:25:10,190
camera

1860
01:25:16,959 --> 01:25:13,219
and he gave me the finger as I walked by

1861
01:25:20,500 --> 01:25:16,969
and I see I didn't get it fast enough I

1862
01:25:23,260 --> 01:25:20,510
he did that so that I would take a

1863
01:25:25,090 --> 01:25:23,270
picture of him doing this later but I

1864
01:25:27,370 --> 01:25:25,100
panicked and figured that the next thing

1865
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:27,380
he's gonna do is jump up and hit me or

1866
01:25:32,830 --> 01:25:30,080
something so I I'm it's the opportunity

1867
01:25:35,890 --> 01:25:32,840
I just kept walking but that's how well

1868
01:25:39,010 --> 01:25:35,900
he felt about me later and then still

1869
01:25:40,959 --> 01:25:39,020
later I met him again with Gary Clark

1870
01:25:43,540 --> 01:25:40,969
who was so very close when developing

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01:25:47,670 --> 01:25:43,550
and he made that genuine effort to get

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01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:47,680
us to makeup and we shook hands very

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01:25:53,229 --> 01:25:50,690
rigidly or something and I could hear a

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01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:53,239
Hopkins just before he walked up to

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01:25:56,650 --> 01:25:54,890
shake hands with me he said you know I

1876
01:25:59,080 --> 01:25:56,660
don't even know what all this is about I

1877
01:26:02,350 --> 01:25:59,090
have no idea why I'm shaking hands so I

1878
01:26:05,950 --> 01:26:02,360
mean he didn't do any good but Clark

1879
01:26:07,810 --> 01:26:05,960
tried that so anyway this was his case

1880
01:26:09,970 --> 01:26:07,820
and that's the only case that I know of

1881
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:09,980
it didn't that he was interested in that

1882
01:26:13,870 --> 01:26:12,320
didn't have to do with now there have

1883
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:13,880
been reports around the world of other

1884
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:16,730
so-called crashes in Brazil for example

1885
01:26:28,570 --> 01:26:19,010
it's supposed to be a fairly major like

1886
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:28,580
the Brazilian Roswell a really good case

1887
01:26:37,180 --> 01:26:32,719
I think it was 96 supposed crash of an

1888
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:37,190
object and a number of small kind of ant

1889
01:26:46,300 --> 01:26:41,840
like creatures with red eyes I think

1890
01:26:47,979 --> 01:26:46,310
spikes on their spines that that one of

1891
01:26:50,350 --> 01:26:47,989
them I think or two of them was captured

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01:26:56,050 --> 01:26:50,360
by by some firemen

1893
01:26:57,790 --> 01:26:56,060
supposedly a fire most yeah exactly

1894
01:27:02,830 --> 01:26:57,800
and and supposedly one of them escaped

1895
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:02,840
and was seen some months later they

1896
01:27:10,420 --> 01:27:07,130
didn't take one of them exactly exactly

1897
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:10,430
supposedly NASA personnel were notified

1898
01:27:15,250 --> 01:27:13,250
and came down it I talked I spoke at

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01:27:17,530 --> 01:27:15,260
length with John Carpenter right after

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01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:17,540
he got back from investigating the case

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01:27:21,729 --> 01:27:19,730
I think it occurred while he was down

1902
01:27:23,190 --> 01:27:21,739
there and I or maybe it was John Mack I

1903
01:27:26,580 --> 01:27:23,200
think may have been down there at the

1904
01:27:28,590 --> 01:27:26,590
I'm we're very interesting case I I did

1905
01:27:30,330 --> 01:27:28,600
look in jail well now now that you

1906
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:30,340
mentioned it I've heard of it and I know

1907
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:32,650
well I mean never

1908
01:27:39,570 --> 01:27:35,920
well it didn't have as much detail or

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01:27:41,790 --> 01:27:39,580
even as much superficial credibility and

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01:27:45,390 --> 01:27:41,800
as let's say Roswell as far as I can

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01:27:47,010 --> 01:27:45,400
tell but I mean I never really knew knew

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01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:47,020
that much about it

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01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:51,490
what can I say did anybody examine the

1914
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:53,110
Klan I mean I don't think they ever

1915
01:27:58,920 --> 01:27:55,840
found the crap did they this yeah the

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01:28:01,140 --> 01:27:58,930
official Wikipedia response now I'll

1917
01:28:03,060 --> 01:28:01,150
just read it the Brazilian government

1918
01:28:06,060 --> 01:28:03,070
officially denies that anything unusual

1919
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:06,070
occurred but some theorists have charged

1920
01:28:10,230 --> 01:28:07,570
that there was a cover-up

1921
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:10,240
and Kevin Randle is quoted as saying

1922
01:28:16,710 --> 01:28:13,210
this isn't Wikipedia that the case is as

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01:28:21,090 --> 01:28:16,720
complicated as any other in the UFO

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01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:21,100
field so there you go okay that's it

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01:28:27,060 --> 01:28:23,770
well it's a long entry I'm just giving

1926
01:28:29,480 --> 01:28:27,070
you a mean you're never online so you

1927
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:29,490
have to look at say a two page entry

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01:28:36,750 --> 01:28:32,560
yeah well I can imagine

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01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:36,760
Randall saying that Randall is tax

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01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:38,080
somebody else ladies and gentlemen

1931
01:28:42,930 --> 01:28:40,960
so take down your pad and paper and now

1932
01:28:45,690 --> 01:28:42,940
the next target after Jim have gone off

1933
01:28:48,570 --> 01:28:45,700
against Frank Scully and Silas Newton

1934
01:28:52,140 --> 01:28:48,580
and Budd Hopkins and Stanton T Friedman

1935
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:52,150
the next victim Kevin Randall Kevin if

1936
01:29:04,860 --> 01:28:59,720
I'm just give me a hard time

1937
01:29:07,860 --> 01:29:04,870
guys I was going to say that I think he

1938
01:29:10,580 --> 01:29:07,870
loses his objectivity completely when it

1939
01:29:14,250 --> 01:29:10,590
comes to Russell but on other subjects

1940
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:14,260
we agree on several different things he

1941
01:29:20,940 --> 01:29:17,890
he is a strangely against abductions and

1942
01:29:23,310 --> 01:29:20,950
I'm not sure why he really takes a

1943
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:23,320
complete skeptical view about it that

1944
01:29:28,830 --> 01:29:26,050
they're all misinterpretations and just

1945
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:28,840
natural mental things and so on that

1946
01:29:33,930 --> 01:29:31,510
they had nothing to do with sources and

1947
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:33,940
I I don't agree with that I don't know

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01:29:39,540 --> 01:29:37,210
anything much about abductions I know

1949
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:39,550
think Hopkins said either or any of

1950
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:41,170
these people they never really

1951
01:29:45,060 --> 01:29:43,090
understood it and I certainly don't but

1952
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:45,070
something is going on and I would

1953
01:29:51,959 --> 01:29:48,610
imagine just as a educated guess that

1954
01:29:54,209 --> 01:29:51,969
some intelligence of whatever show it is

1955
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:54,219
playing with these people's minds

1956
01:29:58,140 --> 01:29:55,930
I don't think little men just walk

1957
01:30:00,660 --> 01:29:58,150
through walls and come and visit these

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01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:00,670
people in bed I don't think that happens

1959
01:30:05,310 --> 01:30:03,130
at all but there is an outside force

1960
01:30:07,950 --> 01:30:05,320
that is causing this it's not just

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imagination or mental illness or

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01:30:12,090 --> 01:30:09,730
anything like that we have another

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hidden secret force that's going to

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attack us if we don't do this and in

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case you're wondering about future

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Ecker and you are tuned into the para

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cast let me tell you what you're gonna

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hear stuff here that you probably won't

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you're anywhere else hear that George

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snoring we're back with Jim Mosely in

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the process of attacking everybody in

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the you f Phil field he can in the

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course of a three hour session but

2081
01:35:17,660 --> 01:35:14,130
seriously speaking okay with abductions

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01:35:19,339 --> 01:35:17,670
something that's going on sleep well

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it's two hours for you three hours for

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listeners because they have to hear the

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commercials that's right I hope you feel

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better okay seriously speaking all

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seriousness aside Jim alright so you

2088
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:32,340
feel that abductions have some outside

2089
01:35:36,649 --> 01:35:34,650
force what about sleep paralysis in some

2090
01:35:41,810 --> 01:35:36,659
cases you know you're almost away I'm

2091
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:41,820
sure I had an experience which really

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ties in with nothing but before I ever

2093
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heard of saucers when I was a kid maybe

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about fifteen and I was in an old what

2095
01:35:58,069 --> 01:35:55,920
would we say not a guest houses let's

2096
01:36:00,500 --> 01:35:58,079
say an old hotel that I guess I did

2097
01:36:02,989 --> 01:36:00,510
built before the turn of the century and

2098
01:36:06,739 --> 01:36:02,999
they still had these high ceilings with

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01:36:09,229 --> 01:36:06,749
transoms you know what a transom is it's

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01:36:12,939 --> 01:36:09,239
like a door type thing you can either

2101
01:36:15,979 --> 01:36:12,949
close it or open it at the top would be

2102
01:36:17,810 --> 01:36:15,989
just around the ceiling so where does

2103
01:36:19,729 --> 01:36:17,820
anybody know what I'm talking about a

2104
01:36:23,959 --> 01:36:19,739
transfer yeah I know what the transom is

2105
01:36:25,969 --> 01:36:23,969
yeah don't fall asleep

2106
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:25,979
I'm wide awake boy with you on the air

2107
01:36:33,799 --> 01:36:31,050
boys I was sleeping and it was I

2108
01:36:37,219 --> 01:36:33,809
remember it was daylight so it must have

2109
01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:37,229
been in the morning and I would have

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01:36:43,879 --> 01:36:39,209
been getting up soon anyhow I suppose

2111
01:36:46,580 --> 01:36:43,889
well I heard somebody speaking obviously

2112
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:46,590
out in the hall I think I realized that

2113
01:36:51,500 --> 01:36:49,920
it was a real voice from the hall I

2114
01:36:54,199 --> 01:36:51,510
didn't think it was a ghost or something

2115
01:36:58,100 --> 01:36:54,209
but the words that they said and I don't

2116
01:37:01,729 --> 01:36:58,110
remember exactly something about you

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01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:01,739
will be going soon or you won't be here

2118
01:37:04,129 --> 01:37:02,010
long

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01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:04,139
which obviously was just a part of a

2120
01:37:10,669 --> 01:37:07,010
normal conversation but I heard that

2121
01:37:13,770 --> 01:37:10,679
part of it and the wording frightened me

2122
01:37:15,450 --> 01:37:13,780
and so I wanted to wake up in a hurry

2123
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:15,460
I guess I would still have to sleep when

2124
01:37:24,450 --> 01:37:20,170
I heard that and I couldn't move I was I

2125
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:24,460
was absolutely paralyzed and I started

2126
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:27,130
to panic obviously but then it occurred

2127
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:29,770
to me of course I could move all I'm

2128
01:37:34,230 --> 01:37:31,570
doing is just tightening up my muscles

2129
01:37:36,930 --> 01:37:34,240
I'm not doing the normal thing that you

2130
01:37:39,530 --> 01:37:36,940
would do if you want to move so now that

2131
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:39,540
I realized that I'll just move and I did

2132
01:37:47,070 --> 01:37:44,890
and and so that's something like you

2133
01:37:49,410 --> 01:37:47,080
notice Jim how after Whitley streamer's

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01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:49,420
book communion came out all of a sudden

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everybody and their next-door neighbors

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01:37:58,740 --> 01:37:55,920
the you know cousins you know boss and

2137
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:58,750
wife were getting abducted and you had

2138
01:38:04,170 --> 01:38:02,080
this huge upsurge of of claims of

2139
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:04,180
abduction cases all through the end of

2140
01:38:10,170 --> 01:38:08,050
the 80s into the 90s and you'll notice I

2141
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:10,180
don't know if anybody else has noticed

2142
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:12,400
this but but claims of abductions have

2143
01:38:20,670 --> 01:38:15,970
fallen off almost negligible numbers

2144
01:38:24,300 --> 01:38:20,680
recently landings as I was trying to

2145
01:38:26,670 --> 01:38:24,310
talk about there were in 1954 for

2146
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:26,680
instance there were probably a couple of

2147
01:38:31,140 --> 01:38:28,930
dozen of them just in France and there

2148
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:31,150
were others in other parts of Europe

2149
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:34,510
there's a very good one and a new issue

2150
01:38:41,670 --> 01:38:38,290
of open mind which I'm stealing from the

2151
01:38:44,910 --> 01:38:41,680
dinner issue or smear but the point here

2152
01:38:46,770 --> 01:38:44,920
is these things seem to go in waves the

2153
01:38:49,230 --> 01:38:46,780
close up of the sightings that I'm

2154
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:49,240
talking about where the thing lands and

2155
01:38:55,260 --> 01:38:51,130
creatures get out and a few people see

2156
01:38:58,980 --> 01:38:55,270
it that pretty well stopped about 1980

2157
01:39:02,250 --> 01:38:58,990
and I don't know you can probably think

2158
01:39:04,530 --> 01:39:02,260
of something somewhere but back a wave

2159
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:04,540
or that type of thing just doesn't

2160
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:06,850
happen anymore all the classic cases

2161
01:39:11,310 --> 01:39:07,570
like that

2162
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:11,320
Hopkinsville persons comes to mind just

2163
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:14,170
so many of them that was so what was it

2164
01:39:20,370 --> 01:39:17,770
Brush Creek California some minor

2165
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:20,380
saw strange-looking creatures running

2166
01:39:25,050 --> 01:39:22,960
around and that was back in the 50s I

2167
01:39:26,820 --> 01:39:25,060
think those things don't happen anymore

2168
01:39:29,550 --> 01:39:26,830
and and so you're saying

2169
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:29,560
I suppose I don't follow it very much

2170
01:39:34,260 --> 01:39:32,370
the abduction cycle is dying out and

2171
01:39:38,910 --> 01:39:34,270
what does it all mean

2172
01:39:41,790 --> 01:39:38,920
I don't know Karl flock who of course no

2173
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:41,800
longer with us his theory was a lot of

2174
01:39:48,300 --> 01:39:44,560
simplistic he thought that the space

2175
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:48,310
people had come to visit us and to

2176
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,170
explore and whatever else they wanted to

2177
01:39:54,930 --> 01:39:52,480
do and they did what they wanted to do

2178
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:54,940
over a period of years and then they had

2179
01:40:00,540 --> 01:39:57,370
finished their survey and so they left

2180
01:40:03,930 --> 01:40:00,550
but I think that's absolutely not true

2181
01:40:06,590 --> 01:40:03,940
that's whatever was going on is going on

2182
01:40:11,310 --> 01:40:06,600
and see into take different forms but I

2183
01:40:13,950 --> 01:40:11,320
think we have waves of landings waves of

2184
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:13,960
alleged crashes waves of abductions of

2185
01:40:18,510 --> 01:40:16,210
course abductions you know I'd be happy

2186
01:40:20,250 --> 01:40:18,520
for the people who have unusual

2187
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:20,260
encounters real frightening ones of that

2188
01:40:25,410 --> 01:40:23,170
sort for those things not to happen and

2189
01:40:27,660 --> 01:40:25,420
if they're stopping that's great whether

2190
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:27,670
it's ET or some outside force that's

2191
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:30,490
really good news Chris you have a couple

2192
01:40:34,350 --> 01:40:32,890
of questions from our audience that

2193
01:40:39,780 --> 01:40:34,360
maybe you want to stick in somewhere

2194
01:40:43,710 --> 01:40:39,790
here I'm not sure what to make of this

2195
01:40:46,020 --> 01:40:43,720
but this comes from sentry who's one of

2196
01:40:49,470 --> 01:40:46,030
our rule steady posters at forum dr.

2197
01:40:51,450 --> 01:40:49,480
Perry cast calm bright guy and he has

2198
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:51,460
three questions the first one is have

2199
01:40:55,620 --> 01:40:53,770
you heard what Antonio hoon is has been

2200
01:40:58,440 --> 01:40:55,630
saying about you now Antonia was on our

2201
01:41:03,630 --> 01:40:58,450
show last week and I don't recall him

2202
01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:03,640
saying anything about you a couple of

2203
01:41:08,700 --> 01:41:05,590
days ago he and I are close friends I

2204
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:08,710
can imagine oh wait a minute he may have

2205
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:11,040
told me what it was didn't sound very

2206
01:41:17,790 --> 01:41:14,290
harmful what was it I don't remember you

2207
01:41:20,940 --> 01:41:17,800
do because it was news to me look you

2208
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:20,950
guys heard that show as if you were on

2209
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:23,440
it and I wasn't so what is it he said

2210
01:41:28,530 --> 01:41:26,170
already Jim died did Aunt O'Neal say

2211
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:28,540
anything about Jim very briefly in

2212
01:41:36,750 --> 01:41:30,490
passing but nothing that would be

2213
01:41:38,250 --> 01:41:36,760
unfavorable he's a big fan of yours I've

2214
01:41:40,410 --> 01:41:38,260
so I'm not sure what to make that

2215
01:41:44,270 --> 01:41:40,420
question anyway sorry century we could

2216
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:44,280
you know I while we're on that subject

2217
01:41:52,110 --> 01:41:47,730
Antonio is one of the most factual

2218
01:41:55,740 --> 01:41:52,120
meticulous researchers that is this yes

2219
01:41:59,550 --> 01:41:55,750
he does not exaggerate or make things up

2220
01:42:02,820 --> 01:41:59,560
or go along with nonsense and he does

2221
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:02,830
sort of make a living out of the UFO you

2222
01:42:07,410 --> 01:42:04,960
know but the proof that he's honest is

2223
01:42:09,419 --> 01:42:07,420
that he's there almost starving about

2224
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:09,429
the half of the time in the last 20

2225
01:42:14,820 --> 01:42:11,770
years or so because he hasn't written

2226
01:42:16,380 --> 01:42:14,830
crazy books and he just get invited

2227
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:16,390
there to lecture sometimes and

2228
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:19,330
conventions but because he's not a type

2229
01:42:24,330 --> 01:42:21,730
of star he doesn't get very much money

2230
01:42:28,740 --> 01:42:24,340
for it so the moral is you know be like

2231
01:42:30,209 --> 01:42:28,750
Freeman don't be like Antonia well

2232
01:42:32,430 --> 01:42:30,219
Antonio is one of the most impressive

2233
01:42:34,530 --> 01:42:32,440
researchers that I personally have

2234
01:42:36,689 --> 01:42:34,540
worked with over the years he has a

2235
01:42:39,810 --> 01:42:36,699
width and breadth of knowledge in terms

2236
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:39,820
of the history of the more obscure time

2237
01:42:45,300 --> 01:42:42,330
periods in terms of the Middle Ages

2238
01:42:49,290 --> 01:42:45,310
pre-columbian accounts from Mesoamerica

2239
01:42:51,300 --> 01:42:49,300
and he's just an amazing steel-trap

2240
01:42:53,970 --> 01:42:51,310
you know almost well you know

2241
01:42:57,470 --> 01:42:53,980
photographic recall just amazing how

2242
01:43:01,439 --> 01:42:57,480
well versed he is in this field open

2243
01:43:04,140 --> 01:43:01,449
exchange it took a lot of doing even

2244
01:43:07,459 --> 01:43:04,150
knowing Antonio's took some work to get

2245
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:07,469
on this extreme but it's an interesting

2246
01:43:13,140 --> 01:43:10,000
magazine and very slick and well done

2247
01:43:15,450 --> 01:43:13,150
but some of the stories no doubt are

2248
01:43:18,900 --> 01:43:15,460
much more authentic than others but the

2249
01:43:22,169 --> 01:43:18,910
ones under his byline he's one of two or

2250
01:43:24,900 --> 01:43:22,179
three of the editors there if it has his

2251
01:43:27,060 --> 01:43:24,910
byline it's as true as you can make it

2252
01:43:29,370 --> 01:43:27,070
and if it has some of the other bottom

2253
01:43:32,250 --> 01:43:29,380
lines that might not be true at all I

2254
01:43:34,110 --> 01:43:32,260
have no idea but in the new issue that

2255
01:43:39,300 --> 01:43:34,120
just came out of open mind

2256
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:39,310
there is a rehash by Antonio of a case

2257
01:43:48,330 --> 01:43:42,880
of landing in a small village in France

2258
01:43:50,490 --> 01:43:48,340
in 1967 I think and this is the one I'd

2259
01:43:52,620 --> 01:43:50,500
heard of it before but I didn't remember

2260
01:43:53,970 --> 01:43:52,630
watching about it this is the one in

2261
01:43:58,500 --> 01:43:53,980
which to show

2262
01:44:01,830 --> 01:43:58,510
our herding cattle for their family and

2263
01:44:04,500 --> 01:44:01,840
and they see four small creatures

2264
01:44:06,420 --> 01:44:04,510
looking at them from behind a hedge or

2265
01:44:08,729 --> 01:44:06,430
something and their first thought that

2266
01:44:11,580 --> 01:44:08,739
these were children that had come to

2267
01:44:13,740 --> 01:44:11,590
play with the vines I like this and then

2268
01:44:16,530 --> 01:44:13,750
they thought it was a big fear type

2269
01:44:18,660 --> 01:44:16,540
craft behind the floor of creatures and

2270
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:18,670
the for creatures naturally were about

2271
01:44:23,190 --> 01:44:20,800
four feet tall and it looks very strange

2272
01:44:26,460 --> 01:44:23,200
and they acted very strange and they

2273
01:44:27,900 --> 01:44:26,470
took off in their craft maybe is that's

2274
01:44:30,210 --> 01:44:27,910
the one thing that's not mentioned how

2275
01:44:31,979 --> 01:44:30,220
long this was going on probably less

2276
01:44:35,130 --> 01:44:31,989
than five minutes and that's a very

2277
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:35,140
typical landing case of among the ones

2278
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:37,570
that are not really famous and it's

2279
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:40,930
Jenna very very nicely by Antonio in

2280
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:43,210
that particular magazine he also goes

2281
01:44:48,650 --> 01:44:46,050
into a lot of detail there were several

2282
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:48,660
official and semi official

2283
01:44:54,180 --> 01:44:51,250
investigations of this case in France

2284
01:44:57,090 --> 01:44:54,190
and elsewhere and nobody could ever find

2285
01:44:59,130 --> 01:44:57,100
the flaw of law and I mean they even the

2286
01:45:01,560 --> 01:44:59,140
skeptics said well you know we don't

2287
01:45:04,170 --> 01:45:01,570
know what this was they didn't say the

2288
01:45:05,850 --> 01:45:04,180
landing by faith people they said we we

2289
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:05,860
can't explain it well that's a good

2290
01:45:10,530 --> 01:45:08,170
start to say at least we can't explain

2291
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:10,540
it it's not swamp gas or something like

2292
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:10,810
that

2293
01:45:15,570 --> 01:45:13,690
Jim Mosley SWAT cast by the way ladies

2294
01:45:17,550 --> 01:45:15,580
and gentlemen he is the editor of saucer

2295
01:45:20,020 --> 01:45:17,560
smear he's on with Jean and Chris you're

2296
01:45:27,660 --> 01:45:20,030
in the para cast

2297
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weight control is this easy why does the

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here's Jane Steinberg with Jim Mosley

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editor of saucer smear with Jean and

2360
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:05,300
Chris in the para cast it's definitely

2361
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:07,610
not swamp gas as we talk seriously about

2362
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:11,600
the very dedicated investigations from

2363
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:13,970
Antonio Phinehas one of the editors of

2364
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:16,610
open lines magazine Chris we got one or

2365
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:18,560
two more questions and this is a good

2366
01:48:23,620 --> 01:48:20,960
one for all you aspiring investigative

2367
01:48:25,390 --> 01:48:23,630
researchers out there invariably you're

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01:48:27,490 --> 01:48:25,400
gonna meet a lot of folks and sentry

2369
01:48:30,670 --> 01:48:27,500
wants to know a little rule of thumb

2370
01:48:32,710 --> 01:48:30,680
from mr. Mosely you've met more of the

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fakes frauds Kooks and the genuine

2372
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:34,910
witnesses than anyone else you've talked

2373
01:48:41,860 --> 01:48:36,290
to them and looked them in the eye how

2374
01:48:44,170 --> 01:48:41,870
do you sort them out question yeah you

2375
01:48:47,950 --> 01:48:44,180
know I would put it this way it's just

2376
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:47,960
like any other kind of people if the UFO

2377
01:48:55,570 --> 01:48:51,650
field first of all nobody is all bad

2378
01:48:57,400 --> 01:48:55,580
everybody is all good I think gene

2379
01:49:00,580 --> 01:48:57,410
weren't you involved in that I might be

2380
01:49:05,110 --> 01:49:00,590
wrong these lists that came out a few

2381
01:49:09,130 --> 01:49:05,120
years ago the good people in the field

2382
01:49:12,670 --> 01:49:09,140
and the bad people UFO watchdog calm let

2383
01:49:16,030 --> 01:49:12,680
me just back up on this ice Meyers who I

2384
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:16,040
guess he works as a park policeman or

2385
01:49:19,870 --> 01:49:17,690
something like that he came up with a

2386
01:49:23,530 --> 01:49:19,880
site there's a Hall of Fame for people

2387
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:23,540
who do good or shame for people who do

2388
01:49:28,810 --> 01:49:26,480
bad work let me just define this we took

2389
01:49:30,850 --> 01:49:28,820
over the site for about a year and we

2390
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:30,860
updated the content and then I got a

2391
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:33,170
letter out of the blue from Royce he

2392
01:49:37,870 --> 01:49:35,330
wants to take it back UFO watchdog calm

2393
01:49:40,300 --> 01:49:37,880
and so I sent him the databases and all

2394
01:49:42,100 --> 01:49:40,310
the files and stuff he needed but he

2395
01:49:43,780 --> 01:49:42,110
went back to an older version of the

2396
01:49:46,500 --> 01:49:43,790
site so we have all this stuff all this

2397
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:46,510
content that we'd written one of our

2398
01:49:52,180 --> 01:49:49,850
forum members a fellow named Skylar did

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a lot of research work for six months to

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build new content on the site a lot of

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01:49:59,080 --> 01:49:57,200
that was never carried over now that's

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01:50:01,000 --> 01:49:59,090
what you're talking about there I

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01:50:06,730 --> 01:50:01,010
should tell our listeners we are looking

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into a new site a new internet portal -

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as they say be a paranormal watchdog but

2406
01:50:16,570 --> 01:50:12,640
that's all I can say Jim yeah well I

2407
01:50:20,890 --> 01:50:16,580
would say yeah I mean I have copies of

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01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:20,900
some of that stuff you know and I the

2409
01:50:25,930 --> 01:50:23,360
ones that I have I'm not wrong here

2410
01:50:29,050 --> 01:50:25,940
I was totally insulted and this is the

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01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:29,060
reason I'm not on either list I wouldn't

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01:50:33,850 --> 01:50:31,610
care if I was on the bad list but I'm

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01:50:34,450 --> 01:50:33,860
not on either list and I don't like that

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01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:34,460
at all

2415
01:50:40,450 --> 01:50:36,410
you were on a later version of the list

2416
01:50:44,380 --> 01:50:40,460
you were on a legend I'm Halle shame or

2417
01:50:46,750 --> 01:50:44,390
Hall of Fame I forget but my point is

2418
01:50:50,530 --> 01:50:46,760
more rational I think and that is that

2419
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:50,540
everybody is a combination of good and

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01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:52,880
bad I mean that's sort of a truism but I

2421
01:50:58,960 --> 01:50:56,960
mean you can't just draw a line Hall of

2422
01:51:00,150 --> 01:50:58,970
Fame Hall of Shame I think that's kind

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01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:00,160
of ridiculous

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01:51:06,010 --> 01:51:03,170
maybe maybe based very much on the

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01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:06,020
weight of the work so somebody's sincere

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01:51:11,530 --> 01:51:09,050
honest hard-working does really good

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01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:11,540
work if they have a few flaws around the

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01:51:16,030 --> 01:51:13,370
edges that's okay if somebody

2429
01:51:18,250 --> 01:51:16,040
perpetrates hoaxes it doesn't matter if

2430
01:51:27,130 --> 01:51:18,260
some things they did were good the

2431
01:51:29,140 --> 01:51:27,140
hoaxes outweigh the non hoaxes but I do

2432
01:51:31,860 --> 01:51:29,150
think we put you in the Hall of Fame

2433
01:51:34,420 --> 01:51:31,870
sorry about that Jim did you well I

2434
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:34,430
don't have that version of it here I've

2435
01:51:41,020 --> 01:51:37,520
got to put away somewhere but these are

2436
01:51:43,180 --> 01:51:41,030
very long list the ones I have well they

2437
01:51:47,230 --> 01:51:43,190
Fame is much shorter than the shame

2438
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:47,240
which is I guess reasonable but as far

2439
01:51:51,490 --> 01:51:49,130
as I remember I wasn't on either one but

2440
01:51:55,090 --> 01:51:51,500
it doesn't matter the concept I guess

2441
01:51:56,830 --> 01:51:55,100
has some validity somewhere you know I

2442
01:52:01,750 --> 01:51:56,840
think you should be on both lists myself

2443
01:52:03,850 --> 01:52:01,760
Jim we were gonna have a gray box list

2444
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:03,860
but that sounded too much like Stanton

2445
01:52:10,630 --> 01:52:08,210
Friedman well a grey list would remind

2446
01:52:14,050 --> 01:52:10,640
us of a great barker and he certainly

2447
01:52:17,620 --> 01:52:14,060
would reserve to beyond the grave

2448
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:17,630
some people know too much about UFOs

2449
01:52:26,740 --> 01:52:23,040
yeah I mean just sounded good to me

2450
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:26,750
Chris any more questions from mr. sentry

2451
01:52:32,689 --> 01:52:30,210
he does not hundred thousand listeners

2452
01:52:35,899 --> 01:52:32,699
would you say you have only three

2453
01:52:38,209 --> 01:52:35,909
questions camera and disappointed well

2454
01:52:40,189 --> 01:52:38,219
we did post the question Bank threat

2455
01:52:44,660 --> 01:52:40,199
until I think late last night so

2456
01:52:47,419 --> 01:52:44,670
normally we have several days attracts a

2457
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:47,429
lot of interested questioners we'll have

2458
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:49,050
to give you a little bit more lead time

2459
01:52:56,959 --> 01:52:54,330
next time to get get more well the only

2460
01:52:58,879 --> 01:52:56,969
other question was about Aztec and it's

2461
01:53:00,500 --> 01:52:58,889
bill more said ask that crash was a hoax

2462
01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:00,510
but Stanton Friedman says it's real

2463
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:02,639
what's wrong we kind of went over that

2464
01:53:06,620 --> 01:53:05,130
ground what one thing that I want to

2465
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:06,630
mention about these crashes in the

2466
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:10,050
forties is back in the early 90s there

2467
01:53:14,570 --> 01:53:12,690
was somebody I buy it escapes me who

2468
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:14,580
this was but somebody came up with this

2469
01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:19,050
theory that it was these new radar units

2470
01:53:26,180 --> 01:53:23,250
that were being you know put into bases

2471
01:53:28,399 --> 01:53:26,190
and stuff in the late 40s that went

2472
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:28,409
operational and at the radar was what

2473
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:30,239
brought these craft down and to me that

2474
01:53:35,330 --> 01:53:32,719
is the most ludicrous implausible

2475
01:53:37,609 --> 01:53:35,340
explanation of why some advanced

2476
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:37,619
technology would would just into the

2477
01:53:45,770 --> 01:53:43,440
ground in crash because of a different

2478
01:53:48,050 --> 01:53:45,780
wording of what I will often said and

2479
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:48,060
other people have said here supposedly

2480
01:53:52,669 --> 01:53:50,090
you have these craft that come in

2481
01:53:55,399 --> 01:53:52,679
millions of miles I mean we don't know

2482
01:53:57,560 --> 01:53:55,409
how many miles maybe some other galaxies

2483
01:54:00,830 --> 01:53:57,570
may be some other universes and they

2484
01:54:03,379 --> 01:54:00,840
make it all the way here and then when

2485
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:03,389
they get in our atmosphere they screw it

2486
01:54:11,149 --> 01:54:07,650
up and and that's extremely strange one

2487
01:54:15,050 --> 01:54:11,159
of the versions of the Roswell case was

2488
01:54:18,530 --> 01:54:15,060
that there was a a electrical storm that

2489
01:54:19,370 --> 01:54:18,540
took a costly thing to crash have you

2490
01:54:22,430 --> 01:54:19,380
heard that version

2491
01:54:23,660 --> 01:54:22,440
yeah no no what was this tomato crash I

2492
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:23,670
didn't catch that

2493
01:54:32,300 --> 01:54:27,290
well I remember at some point

2494
01:54:37,010 --> 01:54:32,310
flock thought that there was a real

2495
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:37,020
crash of a spaceship I guess cause my

2496
01:54:43,490 --> 01:54:41,370
and electrical still on that was going

2497
01:54:45,170 --> 01:54:43,500
on at that time that caused the crash

2498
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:45,180
right well Roswell did have a large

2499
01:54:50,290 --> 01:54:47,250
electrical storm in conjunction with the

2500
01:54:52,730 --> 01:54:50,300
night that this the crash supposedly but

2501
01:54:58,100 --> 01:54:52,740
that sounds more plausible to meet and

2502
01:55:00,500 --> 01:54:58,110
then then radar yeah but again if

2503
01:55:03,500 --> 01:55:00,510
they're that talented to get all the way

2504
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:03,510
here throw through wormholes and

2505
01:55:07,850 --> 01:55:05,610
everything else that's out there then

2506
01:55:10,220 --> 01:55:07,860
they get taken out by a little thing

2507
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:10,230
like that I just don't really think so

2508
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:12,210
well what about the work of Leonard

2509
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:15,210
Stringfield who spent decades chasing

2510
01:55:20,630 --> 01:55:17,610
down rumors of crashed saucers and discs

2511
01:55:22,850 --> 01:55:20,640
how many of those cases you do you think

2512
01:55:28,700 --> 01:55:22,860
have some sort of literally behind them

2513
01:55:31,820 --> 01:55:28,710
I I'm well I I think he put out before

2514
01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:31,830
he died six or seven of those status

2515
01:55:36,500 --> 01:55:34,560
reports or whatever we call them and I

2516
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:36,510
don't believe I read any of them

2517
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:38,400
thoroughly but maybe I did it's a long

2518
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:42,450
time ago but I I knew when fairly well

2519
01:55:46,730 --> 01:55:44,490
and I talked to him on the phone several

2520
01:55:50,270 --> 01:55:46,740
times and probably met him once or twice

2521
01:55:52,490 --> 01:55:50,280
and I always because I wanted to make

2522
01:55:55,670 --> 01:55:52,500
sure that I got it right and that I

2523
01:55:58,940 --> 01:55:55,680
heard and and I would ask them all out

2524
01:56:02,590 --> 01:55:58,950
of all these rumors and stuff that you

2525
01:56:05,660 --> 01:56:02,600
had printed about crashes and landings

2526
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:05,670
do you think that any of them are

2527
01:56:09,970 --> 01:56:07,770
suddenly proven and he's very

2528
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:09,980
distasteful and honestly said to me

2529
01:56:15,290 --> 01:56:12,810
they're all interesting and they have

2530
01:56:19,070 --> 01:56:15,300
this evidence and that but no none of

2531
01:56:22,340 --> 01:56:19,080
them can be proven and he accepted that

2532
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:22,350
and I sucked in his honesty so the

2533
01:56:28,220 --> 01:56:25,290
answer to that I give there is you know

2534
01:56:30,580 --> 01:56:28,230
if none of them could be proven should

2535
01:56:34,610 --> 01:56:30,590
we just forget about it I don't know

2536
01:56:39,740 --> 01:56:34,620
well yeah I talked a Stringfield once or

2537
01:56:40,939 --> 01:56:39,750
twice over the years but as you say you

2538
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:40,949
didn't think improved

2539
01:56:44,899 --> 01:56:42,570
he collected a lot of interesting

2540
01:56:47,989 --> 01:56:44,909
information and let or until somebody

2541
01:56:49,370 --> 01:56:47,999
can take over the work that he left and

2542
01:56:51,169 --> 01:56:49,380
get some information it's gonna be the

2543
01:56:53,629 --> 01:56:51,179
same thing with the entire UFO field we

2544
01:56:57,439 --> 01:56:53,639
got a lot of strange things going on not

2545
01:56:59,540 --> 01:56:57,449
just Roswell and Aztec not just Virginia

2546
01:57:01,279 --> 01:56:59,550
and not just all these other cases

2547
01:57:04,069 --> 01:57:01,289
through the decades and through the

2548
01:57:06,140 --> 01:57:04,079
centuries but we can't sit back and look

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01:57:07,729 --> 01:57:06,150
at them and say what happened we don't

2550
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know what happened it's easy to make an

2551
01:57:11,959 --> 01:57:10,229
assumption well it's gotta be ET because

2552
01:57:13,910 --> 01:57:11,969
what else could it be but is that

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01:57:16,060 --> 01:57:13,920
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later in this episode you will learn how

2661
02:02:11,859 --> 02:02:08,329
you can get your very own hard copy

2662
02:02:14,859 --> 02:02:11,869
version of saucer smear printed on real

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paper type with a real typewriter Jim

2664
02:02:22,810 --> 02:02:18,519
Mosely does not use a personal computer

2665
02:02:25,270 --> 02:02:22,820
and you know probably not what I was

2666
02:02:29,080 --> 02:02:25,280
gonna add something there and I think

2667
02:02:32,649 --> 02:02:29,090
I've lost it now Oh when I meet somebody

2668
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:32,659
that heard vaguely Wednesday that are

2669
02:02:37,719 --> 02:02:34,610
interested in saucers or believe in it

2670
02:02:40,929 --> 02:02:37,729
they invariably say exactly the same

2671
02:02:43,870 --> 02:02:40,939
thing almost every time well gee whiz

2672
02:02:48,370 --> 02:02:43,880
we're trying to get out into space right

2673
02:02:50,469 --> 02:02:48,380
now aren't we and so sure more advanced

2674
02:02:52,060 --> 02:02:50,479
beings that another planet might be a

2675
02:02:55,060 --> 02:02:52,070
little ahead of us and they've already

2676
02:02:58,120 --> 02:02:55,070
done what we're about to do that's as

2677
02:03:00,580 --> 02:02:58,130
far as they can go with it and what

2678
02:03:03,159 --> 02:03:00,590
they're saying in my opinion now is

2679
02:03:05,109 --> 02:03:03,169
possible I will never say it's

2680
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:05,119
impossible with the space people

2681
02:03:13,049 --> 02:03:08,570
visiting us but that is just oh it's a

2682
02:03:16,839 --> 02:03:13,059
cliche it's too too simplistic and

2683
02:03:18,370 --> 02:03:16,849
that's as far as writing know about this

2684
02:03:20,739 --> 02:03:18,380
are think that's all they know and

2685
02:03:23,020 --> 02:03:20,749
they've tried to be friendly they don't

2686
02:03:24,609 --> 02:03:23,030
want to say it's all nonsense so they'll

2687
02:03:27,339 --> 02:03:24,619
just go that's wrong with it but they've

2688
02:03:29,679 --> 02:03:27,349
never given it any serious thought or

2689
02:03:31,839 --> 02:03:29,689
they would realize that that is not

2690
02:03:33,639 --> 02:03:31,849
necessarily the answer that's the point

2691
02:03:36,069 --> 02:03:33,649
well the point also is that they have

2692
02:03:38,739 --> 02:03:36,079
been surveys of the American public over

2693
02:03:41,439 --> 02:03:38,749
the years now in the 80s and 90s maybe

2694
02:03:45,100 --> 02:03:41,449
back to the 70s half the people in this

2695
02:03:46,659 --> 02:03:45,110
country believed in UFOs and we assume

2696
02:03:49,209 --> 02:03:46,669
all or mostly they believe they were

2697
02:03:51,790 --> 02:03:49,219
spaceships a more recent survey taken by

2698
02:03:54,759 --> 02:03:51,800
an organization hired by National

2699
02:03:57,429 --> 02:03:54,769
Geographic ahead of the promotion for

2700
02:03:59,260 --> 02:03:57,439
this TV show chasing UFOs came up with

2701
02:04:02,470 --> 02:03:59,270
about one-third but

2702
02:04:08,020 --> 02:04:02,480
you'll like this survey that result of

2703
02:04:10,750 --> 02:04:08,030
that poll also determined that 66% 67%

2704
02:04:13,510 --> 02:04:10,760
of the people in the United States those

2705
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:13,520
surveyed anyway felt that in the event

2706
02:04:25,420 --> 02:04:18,890
of a UFO invasion Obama would be more

2707
02:04:27,160 --> 02:04:25,430
capable of handling it than Romney's a

2708
02:04:28,780 --> 02:04:27,170
mormon they're used to having angelic

2709
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:28,790
beings coming down trying to interact

2710
02:04:34,060 --> 02:04:30,490
with them I mean that's how the whole

2711
02:04:36,130 --> 02:04:34,070
cult religion sari started in the first

2712
02:04:38,830 --> 02:04:36,140
place you're talking about the Mormons

2713
02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:38,840
yes but that has nothing to do with

2714
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:47,140
exactly well my point is that you would

2715
02:04:52,060 --> 02:04:49,850
think Romney growing up within the

2716
02:04:54,250 --> 02:04:52,070
Mormon tradition would be more

2717
02:04:57,850 --> 02:04:54,260
comfortable with that kind of scenario

2718
02:05:00,340 --> 02:04:57,860
as opposed to Obama who grew up inhaling

2719
02:05:02,710 --> 02:05:00,350
and being you know a druggie and having

2720
02:05:03,190 --> 02:05:02,720
all sorts of good times probably freaked

2721
02:05:11,500 --> 02:05:03,200
him out

2722
02:05:13,450 --> 02:05:11,510
yeah religion there I'm not sure they

2723
02:05:16,270 --> 02:05:13,460
have their own Bible I know but do they

2724
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:16,280
also use the regular Bible do they use

2725
02:05:23,140 --> 02:05:20,410
both or just their own the Mormon is

2726
02:05:26,770 --> 02:05:23,150
pretty much a standalone item they do

2727
02:05:28,210 --> 02:05:26,780
refer back to the Old Testament but the

2728
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:28,220
Book of Mormon also says that there

2729
02:05:32,710 --> 02:05:30,410
there was wheat and in a new world and

2730
02:05:37,620 --> 02:05:32,720
elephants existed here just within you

2731
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:40,180
well any time any time you have a failed

2732
02:05:44,140 --> 02:05:42,110
treasure hunter claiming that an angel

2733
02:05:46,450 --> 02:05:44,150
came down and gave him gold tablets that

2734
02:05:50,650 --> 02:05:46,460
then disappear and nobody ever sees them

2735
02:05:52,350 --> 02:05:50,660
you got a wonder yeah I don't know a

2736
02:05:56,470 --> 02:05:52,360
whole lot about the Mormon Church but

2737
02:05:59,620 --> 02:05:56,480
the fact that the one guy saw the gold

2738
02:06:01,780 --> 02:05:59,630
tablets and knew what was on them but

2739
02:06:04,270 --> 02:06:01,790
before anybody else could see them they

2740
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:04,280
were gone well you know I'm a less

2741
02:06:09,640 --> 02:06:06,530
veiled treasure hunter because I really

2742
02:06:10,250 --> 02:06:09,650
did find real gold several times in Peru

2743
02:06:15,020 --> 02:06:10,260
and

2744
02:06:17,990 --> 02:06:15,030
other good things so what I guess that's

2745
02:06:19,910 --> 02:06:18,000
better than what the moorlands good yeah

2746
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:19,920
so does that mean you can write the book

2747
02:06:28,550 --> 02:06:26,370
of Mosley that was a good one Jean I

2748
02:06:31,550 --> 02:06:28,560
think I'm going to get attacked for that

2749
02:06:34,330 --> 02:06:31,560
later so let's just enjoy the moment you

2750
02:06:37,580 --> 02:06:34,340
know the book of Mosley I love it well

2751
02:06:41,750 --> 02:06:37,590
there was going to be a treasure hunting

2752
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:41,760
of the book by me but for long-winded

2753
02:06:47,060 --> 02:06:44,730
reasons I don't think it's gonna happen

2754
02:06:49,310 --> 02:06:47,070
Carl Froch who was my co-author I'm

2755
02:06:53,479 --> 02:06:49,320
shocking me also the truth was going to

2756
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:53,489
be co-author on this also and as we know

2757
02:06:57,920 --> 02:06:56,010
that did not happen and for that and

2758
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:57,930
other reasons I don't think I'll ever be

2759
02:07:02,150 --> 02:06:59,760
able to make a book out of it but I did

2760
02:07:02,479 --> 02:07:02,160
have some wonderful adventures done in

2761
02:07:05,930 --> 02:07:02,489
Peru

2762
02:07:08,630 --> 02:07:05,940
during the late 1950s but no psychic

2763
02:07:10,900 --> 02:07:08,640
experiences well it's funny that you

2764
02:07:13,430 --> 02:07:10,910
would mention that the treasures were

2765
02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:13,440
divided rather neatly into two

2766
02:07:19,310 --> 02:07:16,290
categories one was inter and free

2767
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:19,320
incurred over the ancient inhabitants of

2768
02:07:25,460 --> 02:07:22,890
the country and the other was brought in

2769
02:07:29,540 --> 02:07:25,470
by the Spaniards and they're defended

2770
02:07:34,090 --> 02:07:29,550
and they were quite different in content

2771
02:07:37,870 --> 02:07:34,100
the Spanish treasure seemed to be more

2772
02:07:41,300 --> 02:07:37,880
involving ghosts and actual

2773
02:07:43,700 --> 02:07:41,310
demonstrations of the paranormal and and

2774
02:07:46,700 --> 02:07:43,710
the some of the figures of the Inca

2775
02:07:51,670 --> 02:07:46,710
treasures did not have that connotation

2776
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:51,680
at all we slept in ancient Charon

2777
02:07:57,620 --> 02:07:54,810
cemeteries many times while we were

2778
02:08:00,740 --> 02:07:57,630
treasure hunting and they thought of

2779
02:08:03,950 --> 02:08:00,750
ghosts connected with the nature now

2780
02:08:06,290 --> 02:08:03,960
artifacts never cost our mine and the

2781
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:06,300
workers that were with me the worth

2782
02:08:12,200 --> 02:08:09,050
certainly not educated people they they

2783
02:08:14,390 --> 02:08:12,210
had no worries about the scene and I

2784
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:14,400
think that's sort of self-fulfilling

2785
02:08:18,740 --> 02:08:16,890
since we didn't think about ghosts and

2786
02:08:21,140 --> 02:08:18,750
didn't really believers know at least

2787
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:21,150
didn't worry about God didn't think they

2788
02:08:23,199 --> 02:08:22,650
were connected with the work that were

2789
02:08:25,629 --> 02:08:23,209
doing

2790
02:08:28,779 --> 02:08:25,639
that's why we didn't pay any if we'd

2791
02:08:30,759 --> 02:08:28,789
already believe that I suppose we will

2792
02:08:33,489 --> 02:08:30,769
so you're suggesting here maybe some

2793
02:08:35,679 --> 02:08:33,499
psychic and/or UFO experiences are the

2794
02:08:38,410 --> 02:08:35,689
result of wishful thinking we wish oh

2795
02:08:42,310 --> 02:08:38,420
yeah consciously or subconsciously and

2796
02:08:44,410 --> 02:08:42,320
it happens yeah well that's a factor in

2797
02:08:47,229 --> 02:08:44,420
a lot of things in life and not just

2798
02:08:49,509 --> 02:08:47,239
it's often one of my sightings could

2799
02:08:55,029 --> 02:08:49,519
have been wishful thinking very briefly

2800
02:08:57,219 --> 02:08:55,039
I one night in about 1954 I was in Miami

2801
02:09:01,089 --> 02:08:57,229
and had nothing better to do and I went

2802
02:09:03,459 --> 02:09:01,099
out and spent - as we are was just off

2803
02:09:07,629 --> 02:09:03,469
by myself on a vacant block it was like

2804
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:07,639
staring at the sky and there were plenty

2805
02:09:11,140 --> 02:09:09,679
of stars out and you could see the Big

2806
02:09:14,410 --> 02:09:11,150
Dipper and all the other things that

2807
02:09:17,649 --> 02:09:14,420
look like little formations of four five

2808
02:09:19,629 --> 02:09:17,659
six stars whatever number and I got

2809
02:09:24,009 --> 02:09:19,639
bored with it and I started to think to

2810
02:09:27,609 --> 02:09:24,019
myself you know any one of these stars

2811
02:09:31,390 --> 02:09:27,619
that I'm looking at could be a flying

2812
02:09:33,669 --> 02:09:31,400
saucer and if it was had the same hue as

2813
02:09:35,649 --> 02:09:33,679
a star does and was standing still I

2814
02:09:38,109 --> 02:09:35,659
could be looking right at a flying

2815
02:09:40,449 --> 02:09:38,119
saucer and not realize what I'm looking

2816
02:09:44,169 --> 02:09:40,459
at and just as I thought

2817
02:09:47,290 --> 02:09:44,179
instantly a one third of the stars from

2818
02:09:50,199 --> 02:09:47,300
one of the little formations took off in

2819
02:09:52,479 --> 02:09:50,209
a straight line slightly downward and

2820
02:09:53,859 --> 02:09:52,489
disappeared behind a building and I

2821
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:53,869
looked back and there was one missing

2822
02:09:57,989 --> 02:09:55,760
and that was creepy

2823
02:10:00,699 --> 02:09:57,999
because I don't know to this day if I

2824
02:10:02,649 --> 02:10:00,709
imagined it or cause it to happen or if

2825
02:10:04,629 --> 02:10:02,659
it really happened if it really happened

2826
02:10:06,729 --> 02:10:04,639
that's heavy because that means that

2827
02:10:09,370 --> 02:10:06,739
some intelligence was trying to

2828
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:09,380
communicate with me and tell me and show

2829
02:10:15,609 --> 02:10:13,130
me that the whole thing was real how's

2830
02:10:18,129 --> 02:10:15,619
that for a story yeah that's a story

2831
02:10:20,830 --> 02:10:18,139
there's a story folks we love it Jim

2832
02:10:26,070 --> 02:10:20,840
Mosely joining us with Jeanne and Chris

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02:10:31,480 --> 02:10:27,870
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online at Gober Keep Calm that's Gober

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I hope that you do listen to in the para

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cast because you will learn a great deal

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02:15:01,360 --> 02:15:00,110
about paranormal in some segue to more

2953
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segments with Jim Mosely

2954
02:15:07,270 --> 02:15:03,770
editor/publisher chief cook and bottle

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washer and chief typist of saucer smear

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02:15:11,709 --> 02:15:09,500
that's very important the Jim does all

2957
02:15:14,860 --> 02:15:11,719
the typing every typo there aren't any

2958
02:15:16,870 --> 02:15:14,870
typos but if there were typos Jim would

2959
02:15:20,530 --> 02:15:16,880
be responsible for them not some third

2960
02:15:23,860 --> 02:15:20,540
party proof reader okay so we look at

2961
02:15:26,439 --> 02:15:23,870
UFOs being wishful thinking or wishful

2962
02:15:30,399 --> 02:15:26,449
nightmares whatever it takes on the

2963
02:15:31,870 --> 02:15:30,409
cultural context so UFO cases now what

2964
02:15:34,330 --> 02:15:31,880
are you seeing what kind of cultural

2965
02:15:36,790 --> 02:15:34,340
context are we seeing well I just get

2966
02:15:40,390 --> 02:15:36,800
back to what I said before I have

2967
02:15:43,120 --> 02:15:40,400
stopped printing current sightings in

2968
02:15:45,189 --> 02:15:43,130
smear and I see plenty I could steal

2969
02:15:47,530 --> 02:15:45,199
from the new law and journal and

2970
02:15:50,350 --> 02:15:47,540
elsewhere but they don't interest

2971
02:15:52,930 --> 02:15:50,360
because they're to not to vein but

2972
02:15:56,100 --> 02:15:52,940
they're too far away from the observer

2973
02:15:58,959 --> 02:15:56,110
and that you can be absolutely sure of

2974
02:16:00,850 --> 02:15:58,969
what they were and they don't land and

2975
02:16:03,910 --> 02:16:00,860
there's no creatures and they're so

2976
02:16:06,640 --> 02:16:03,920
inferior to the best of the sighting of

2977
02:16:08,950 --> 02:16:06,650
years ago that I just stopped making it

2978
02:16:11,290 --> 02:16:08,960
to any attention to them and most of the

2979
02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:11,300
magazine is there's gossip and stuff

2980
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:13,370
like that and then there's classic

2981
02:16:18,220 --> 02:16:15,530
sightings like here you know recently I

2982
02:16:20,169 --> 02:16:18,230
got involved with the miracle assignment

2983
02:16:22,479 --> 02:16:20,179
which is fascinating anything but

2984
02:16:23,110 --> 02:16:22,489
anything other than lights in the sky I

2985
02:16:26,050 --> 02:16:23,120
guess so

2986
02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:26,060
I've gotten tired of hearing about the

2987
02:16:31,030 --> 02:16:28,730
miracle of Fatima what did you take on

2988
02:16:33,459 --> 02:16:31,040
that well that's a long story

2989
02:16:37,450 --> 02:16:33,469
I don't think we even have time for here

2990
02:16:40,629 --> 02:16:37,460
but getting to the ultimate last part

2991
02:16:43,719 --> 02:16:40,639
where a crowd of 60 or 70 thousand

2992
02:16:47,500 --> 02:16:43,729
people gathered to see a miracle that

2993
02:16:50,049 --> 02:16:47,510
had been for foreseen by three little

2994
02:16:53,620 --> 02:16:50,059
children who were involved in some

2995
02:16:56,959 --> 02:16:53,630
previous miracles so these people all

2996
02:17:00,080 --> 02:16:56,969
you feel de Saussure and they were

2997
02:17:03,080 --> 02:17:00,090
various things seen some people didn't

2998
02:17:04,910 --> 02:17:03,090
see anything and there again perhaps if

2999
02:17:07,849 --> 02:17:04,920
there were atheists in the crowd maybe

3000
02:17:10,759 --> 02:17:07,859
they saw nothing had no idea but most of

3001
02:17:12,799 --> 02:17:10,769
the crowd did see something

3002
02:17:15,790 --> 02:17:12,809
they said the Sun but that would be

3003
02:17:18,589 --> 02:17:15,800
impossible something which I and others

3004
02:17:22,099 --> 02:17:18,599
of my type of thinking would thinking's

3005
02:17:24,020 --> 02:17:22,109
and a UFO it was a cloudy day and you

3006
02:17:27,919 --> 02:17:24,030
couldn't really see the Sun too well but

3007
02:17:29,959 --> 02:17:27,929
all of a sudden the Sun type of object

3008
02:17:33,530 --> 02:17:29,969
but certainly not the real Sun itself

3009
02:17:37,370 --> 02:17:33,540
came down under the clouds and gave off

3010
02:17:39,650 --> 02:17:37,380
all kinds of lights a sort of a rainbow

3011
02:17:41,959 --> 02:17:39,660
of different colored lights over a

3012
02:17:44,480 --> 02:17:41,969
period it sounds like about five minutes

3013
02:17:45,830 --> 02:17:44,490
and almost everybody saw that and then

3014
02:17:48,530 --> 02:17:45,840
there were some other things that

3015
02:17:50,750 --> 02:17:48,540
happened to what it all means I'm not

3016
02:17:53,660 --> 02:17:50,760
religious but I think they saw something

3017
02:17:56,540 --> 02:17:53,670
and there again I think maybe the

3018
02:17:58,940 --> 02:17:56,550
intelligence that is keeping an eye on

3019
02:18:01,070 --> 02:17:58,950
us here obviously know something about

3020
02:18:05,299 --> 02:18:01,080
our religion and maybe that's one of

3021
02:18:08,929 --> 02:18:05,309
their little games they imitate religion

3022
02:18:12,559 --> 02:18:08,939
and give us a thing how would that be a

3023
02:18:15,320 --> 02:18:12,569
hoax by the so-called space people that

3024
02:18:18,620 --> 02:18:15,330
was a religious hoax but not by the

3025
02:18:20,780 --> 02:18:18,630
children by the powers that be very

3026
02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:20,790
interesting case but that raises a

3027
02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:23,130
larger question Jim that what we see

3028
02:18:28,490 --> 02:18:26,130
when we think we see a UFO it is a hoax

3029
02:18:33,290 --> 02:18:28,500
that these entities or beings are

3030
02:18:35,059 --> 02:18:33,300
staging for our benefit yes it sounds

3031
02:18:37,940 --> 02:18:35,069
like the tricks there to me Oh a

3032
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:37,950
trickster yeah I've never really fully

3033
02:18:42,169 --> 02:18:41,040
understood the trickster because I'm

3034
02:18:44,059 --> 02:18:42,179
sure there's endless different

3035
02:18:46,849 --> 02:18:44,069
definitions in it but if there is a

3036
02:18:49,940 --> 02:18:46,859
system and has something to do something

3037
02:18:51,500 --> 02:18:49,950
with the UFO well thank you for that

3038
02:18:55,330 --> 02:18:51,510
gosh they you you're one of the few

3039
02:18:57,679 --> 02:18:55,340
people that agree with me on that one

3040
02:19:06,349 --> 02:18:57,689
yeah yeah I wrote a whole book on the

3041
02:19:11,119 --> 02:19:08,750
you know you have supreme mental powers

3042
02:19:13,790 --> 02:19:11,129
Jim Mosely you have someone a book

3043
02:19:15,109 --> 02:19:13,800
called stalking the tricksters Chris

3044
02:19:22,959 --> 02:19:15,119
O'Brien by the way the book is still

3045
02:19:27,500 --> 02:19:25,759
yeah I'd love to get you take on a Jim

3046
02:19:31,639 --> 02:19:27,510
because I think I think you'd really get

3047
02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:31,649
a chuckle out of it came out two years

3048
02:19:36,979 --> 02:19:36,329
ago correct yeah well if you would lend

3049
02:19:40,289 --> 02:19:36,989
me a copy

3050
02:19:41,500 --> 02:19:40,299
I certainly will review it kindly

3051
02:19:44,239 --> 02:19:41,510
[Music]

3052
02:19:47,119 --> 02:19:44,249
excellent okay I will do that I think I

3053
02:19:49,189 --> 02:19:47,129
think you'll really it might spark spark

3054
02:19:51,109 --> 02:19:49,199
a few things in you I think I've come up

3055
02:19:53,510 --> 02:19:51,119
with an interesting redefinition of the

3056
02:19:56,479 --> 02:19:53,520
trickster it's not a being you know or

3057
02:19:59,090 --> 02:19:56,489
some sort of dissing Carnot intelligence

3058
02:20:01,849 --> 02:19:59,100
it's more of an mechanism really that

3059
02:20:03,409 --> 02:20:01,859
that may help be a catalyst to create

3060
02:20:05,389 --> 02:20:03,419
some of these events in our lives that

3061
02:20:12,349 --> 02:20:05,399
we find so mysterious and wonderful I

3062
02:20:14,719 --> 02:20:12,359
think it's a it's a it's a valid I'm

3063
02:20:17,599 --> 02:20:14,729
trying to think of the name of this

3064
02:20:20,179 --> 02:20:17,609
parent psychologist as we all know and I

3065
02:20:22,819 --> 02:20:20,189
can't think right now who talks a lot

3066
02:20:25,880 --> 02:20:22,829
about the trickster but I never heard

3067
02:20:27,199 --> 02:20:25,890
the term properly defined and I

3068
02:20:27,800 --> 02:20:27,209
certainly would like to read more about

3069
02:20:33,939 --> 02:20:27,810
it

3070
02:20:36,109 --> 02:20:33,949
certainly and George and George Hansen

3071
02:20:38,599 --> 02:20:36,119
the trickster and the paranormal I

3072
02:20:40,969 --> 02:20:38,609
relied heavily on his research also Paul

3073
02:20:42,979 --> 02:20:40,979
Raiden wrote this seminal book on the

3074
02:20:45,739 --> 02:20:42,989
subject called the trickster and Lewis

3075
02:20:47,210 --> 02:20:45,749
Hyde from Harvard wrote the trickster

3076
02:20:48,830 --> 02:20:47,220
makes this world which is another

3077
02:20:56,300 --> 02:20:48,840
excellent excellent book and look at

3078
02:20:58,279 --> 02:20:56,310
that hole at that hole archetype well

3079
02:21:01,159 --> 02:20:58,289
know inspired by I take I take their

3080
02:21:02,779 --> 02:21:01,169
view and then sort of you know take the

3081
02:21:08,750 --> 02:21:02,789
take the ball in and progress it down

3082
02:21:12,429 --> 02:21:08,760
the field I'll make sure I send a copy

3083
02:21:16,130 --> 02:21:12,439
to you nothing going on in the skies

3084
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:16,140
around here at least I certainly would

3085
02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:17,850
like to read do something that would

3086
02:21:22,700 --> 02:21:19,530
inspire me and I

3087
02:21:24,320 --> 02:21:22,710
very little night okay cool excellent so

3088
02:21:26,751 --> 02:21:24,330
what's gonna happen is in your mailbox

3089
02:21:30,740 --> 02:21:26,761
in just a few days by Priority Mail

3090
02:21:35,330 --> 02:21:30,750
Chris will have a copy of his book has

3091
02:21:43,011 --> 02:21:35,340
to be every little bit help I'll shoot

3092
02:21:45,711 --> 02:21:43,021
it off Priority Mail for you Jim well

3093
02:21:48,560 --> 02:21:45,721
actually we have about 12 minutes left

3094
02:21:49,881 --> 02:21:48,570
and a lot to say now Jim let's look at

3095
02:21:51,470 --> 02:21:49,891
saucer smear the stuff you've been

3096
02:21:53,270 --> 02:21:51,480
covering lately because that's always

3097
02:21:56,150 --> 02:21:53,280
good obviously we're not seeing

3098
02:21:57,620 --> 02:21:56,160
sightings we're obviously gonna see a

3099
02:21:58,131 --> 02:21:57,630
little bit around Aztec because you read

3100
02:22:00,890 --> 02:21:58,141
the book

3101
02:22:03,381 --> 02:22:00,900
what other hot topics can we expect from

3102
02:22:05,631 --> 02:22:03,391
recent issues of saucer smear or the

3103
02:22:08,360 --> 02:22:05,641
next one then I'll probably get wet in a

3104
02:22:10,580 --> 02:22:08,370
few days well it'll be mailed out over

3105
02:22:11,360 --> 02:22:10,590
the weekend yeah you'll get it sometime

3106
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:11,370
next week

3107
02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:14,160
well I mean just tell you about

3108
02:22:18,801 --> 02:22:16,170
something that will be not in this issue

3109
02:22:22,040 --> 02:22:18,811
but the one answer you know that new

3110
02:22:24,711 --> 02:22:22,050
phone is having an annual symposium that

3111
02:22:28,060 --> 02:22:24,721
we can have August 4th which happens to

3112
02:22:31,400 --> 02:22:28,070
be my birthday by the way and it's in

3113
02:22:34,341 --> 02:22:31,410
Cincinnati and it involves this new guy

3114
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:34,351
David McDonald who is the new Supreme

3115
02:22:40,390 --> 02:22:37,200
Commander of music flamingos Airlines

3116
02:22:44,780 --> 02:22:40,400
yes yes that's another interesting thing

3117
02:22:47,620 --> 02:22:44,790
this guy seems to be quite a showman and

3118
02:22:52,220 --> 02:22:47,630
I would like to read you a little bit

3119
02:22:55,160 --> 02:22:52,230
from his editorial in the very recent

3120
02:22:58,030 --> 02:22:55,170
issue of the Midland journal where he's

3121
02:23:01,790 --> 02:22:58,040
obviously pitching the conventions and

3122
02:23:06,190 --> 02:23:01,800
hyping it if I can say so now here

3123
02:23:11,381 --> 02:23:06,200
here's the key part it is our intent to

3124
02:23:14,870 --> 02:23:11,391
release not one but two major in caps

3125
02:23:18,140 --> 02:23:14,880
announcements at the convention which

3126
02:23:20,961 --> 02:23:18,150
will resonate throughout the UFO

3127
02:23:24,020 --> 02:23:20,971
community for years to come one of these

3128
02:23:26,801 --> 02:23:24,030
pronouncements is so sensitive I get

3129
02:23:31,070 --> 02:23:26,811
this it's no sensitive that MUFON

3130
02:23:33,020 --> 02:23:31,080
management asked me that it not be

3131
02:23:36,530 --> 02:23:33,030
released until proper

3132
02:23:39,320 --> 02:23:36,540
security protocols were in place to

3133
02:23:42,560 --> 02:23:39,330
protect the safety of the material and

3134
02:23:45,801 --> 02:23:42,570
the people in whose possession it

3135
02:23:49,131 --> 02:23:45,811
resides these protocols are now being

3136
02:23:50,631 --> 02:23:49,141
undertaken and will be complete in time

3137
02:23:53,360 --> 02:23:50,641
for the symposium

3138
02:23:55,940 --> 02:23:53,370
now if that's a sales pitch my friend

3139
02:23:58,160 --> 02:23:55,950
that is hype of the third order I love

3140
02:24:00,261 --> 02:23:58,170
it

3141
02:24:02,780 --> 02:24:00,271
well if they want to send plane tickets

3142
02:24:04,910 --> 02:24:02,790
down we don't have much time but move on

3143
02:24:07,640 --> 02:24:04,920
with this money from the sky who has

3144
02:24:09,890 --> 02:24:07,650
mile-high airlines everything send a

3145
02:24:12,140 --> 02:24:09,900
couple plane tickets in some a couple of

3146
02:24:13,580 --> 02:24:12,150
nights at a hotel to gene and Chris that

3147
02:24:16,551 --> 02:24:13,590
the power cast will come

3148
02:24:19,900 --> 02:24:16,561
we have Jim Mosely he's here too with

3149
02:24:25,990 --> 02:24:19,910
gene and Chris you're in the para cast

3150
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:28,780
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believe me so I don't know I don't know

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if we're hyping to get free tickets for

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Cincinnati you know five-star hotel I

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think this David McDonald is a

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successful businessman and he must have

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an interesting personality I don't think

3263
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he's anywhere near or remotely near

3264
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being a scientist but I guess this is

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the best that anyone can do and if I was

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in better shape I would certainly go to

3267
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this convention myself but I want to in

3268
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the issue answered the convention I'm

3269
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going to take apart whatever these two

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announcements are and I have a very

3271
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strong feeling that they will not be as

3272
02:29:46,019 --> 02:29:43,449
earth-shaking as he makes them sound

3273
02:29:50,579 --> 02:29:46,029
here's you know I can't wait to see what

3274
02:29:51,630 --> 02:29:50,589
you have to say about a job yeah well I

3275
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can't either

3276
02:29:57,059 --> 02:29:54,489
I just wonder you know he's talking

3277
02:30:00,269 --> 02:29:57,069
about you know security on acclivity

3278
02:30:03,000 --> 02:30:00,279
30th attack the people would know what

3279
02:30:09,359 --> 02:30:03,010
there's our income sounds like Steven

3280
02:30:11,699 --> 02:30:09,369
Greer yeah he shows up now with

3281
02:30:14,880 --> 02:30:11,709
bodyguards when he goes to conventions

3282
02:30:17,969 --> 02:30:14,890
he had four of them Barcelona he had two

3283
02:30:20,579 --> 02:30:17,979
bodyguards at the open minds conference

3284
02:30:22,469 --> 02:30:20,589
and and I'll tell you that's a cushy job

3285
02:30:24,329 --> 02:30:22,479
man because all you have to do is just

3286
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stand there and look look menacing I

3287
02:30:29,699 --> 02:30:26,140
don't think there's very many people

3288
02:30:41,159 --> 02:30:29,709
that want to attack Steven Greer uh well

3289
02:30:45,059 --> 02:30:41,169
me I might be wrong about suppose it was

3290
02:30:48,479 --> 02:30:45,069
an emergency room doctor yeah yeah well

3291
02:30:50,789 --> 02:30:48,489
looking at say I can't imagine he's

3292
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making as much money this way but maybe

3293
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he is

3294
02:30:56,170 --> 02:30:53,690
well you should ask his investors in

3295
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these these free energy devices that are

3296
02:31:01,600 --> 02:30:58,760
supposedly coming out every a couple

3297
02:31:03,400 --> 02:31:01,610
three months he has a new you know

3298
02:31:06,219 --> 02:31:03,410
promise that it's gonna come out next

3299
02:31:07,690 --> 02:31:06,229
amount of time and I don't think not not

3300
02:31:10,840 --> 02:31:07,700
one of these things has come out and I

3301
02:31:12,040 --> 02:31:10,850
do there may be some investors out there

3302
02:31:16,719 --> 02:31:12,050
that are scratching their heads

3303
02:31:19,180 --> 02:31:16,729
wondering when when these I know a guy

3304
02:31:22,120 --> 02:31:19,190
like him will probably be routinely

3305
02:31:24,940 --> 02:31:22,130
investigated by the powers that be if

3306
02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:24,950
these things are are like you know Silas

3307
02:31:30,040 --> 02:31:28,010
Newton's stuff I mean they really have

3308
02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:30,050
no substance bills if you're the one I

3309
02:31:34,300 --> 02:31:32,090
have a feeling that they will stop him

3310
02:31:35,770 --> 02:31:34,310
from selling them you know I mean they

3311
02:31:38,740 --> 02:31:35,780
are going to take a look wouldn't you

3312
02:31:43,420 --> 02:31:38,750
think well you've got to produce these

3313
02:31:44,950 --> 02:31:43,430
things and we gotta see something there

3314
02:31:48,130 --> 02:31:44,960
Steven he's been talking about this for

3315
02:31:50,590 --> 02:31:48,140
ten years well I mean it has to be not

3316
02:31:56,320 --> 02:31:50,600
only a physical object but it has to do

3317
02:31:57,670 --> 02:31:56,330
something right one would hope yeah well

3318
02:32:00,100 --> 02:31:57,680
that's what they said about the

3319
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Doodlebug that it didn't do what they

3320
02:32:05,980 --> 02:32:04,250
flamed it just was a I guess a hoax so

3321
02:32:07,920 --> 02:32:05,990
that we're getting back to all of that

3322
02:32:10,930 --> 02:32:07,930
if they could do a hoax with the

3323
02:32:12,130 --> 02:32:10,940
Doodlebug then I could do a hoax with

3324
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aspect I guess

3325
02:32:17,260 --> 02:32:14,479
so they were they had lots of practice

3326
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in other words when it comes to Steven

3327
02:32:21,730 --> 02:32:19,490
Greer I worry about this see SETI this

3328
02:32:24,130 --> 02:32:21,740
program where he takes people on these

3329
02:32:28,840 --> 02:32:24,140
excursions for some mungus lee high

3330
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price to supposedly call down a UFO but

3331
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they have to sign correct me if I'm

3332
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wrong Chris they have to sign a

3333
02:32:36,580 --> 02:32:35,030
nondisclosure agreement so whatever

3334
02:32:38,440 --> 02:32:36,590
happens they can't tell you and I always

3335
02:32:39,969 --> 02:32:38,450
wondered after they also have to sign

3336
02:32:41,410 --> 02:32:39,979
release forms in case they're asked to

3337
02:32:43,300 --> 02:32:41,420
go aboard the ship and they have to

3338
02:32:47,010 --> 02:32:43,310
absolve cease Eddie from all

3339
02:32:50,650 --> 02:32:47,020
responsibility if they don't come back

3340
02:32:52,990 --> 02:32:50,660
yeah oh yeah yeah no this is ambassador

3341
02:32:54,880 --> 02:32:53,000
to the universe training seminars now

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first of all I've all I've been saying

3343
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this for God almost 20 years who elected

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him ambassador to you for humankind of

3345
02:33:04,670 --> 02:33:02,670
the universe number one and number two

3346
02:33:06,710 --> 02:33:04,680
where does he come off saying he can

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train other people to be ambassadors to

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the universe to represent humankind out

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into the cosmos to me it's rather

3350
02:33:22,280 --> 02:33:20,280
presumptuous to be or the things that

3351
02:33:24,140 --> 02:33:22,290
these people find no I'm sure I do

3352
02:33:26,660 --> 02:33:24,150
somewhere I turned down a lifetime

3353
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membership to see SETI and with my

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02:33:30,469 --> 02:33:28,890
Groucho disclaimer that I would never be

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a member of a any club that would have

3356
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me as one yeah well if you can without a

3357
02:33:38,660 --> 02:33:35,970
whole lot of trouble if you got

3358
02:33:42,250 --> 02:33:38,670
something that blames him as ambassador

3359
02:33:49,690 --> 02:33:42,260
to the universe and shows what these

3360
02:33:53,960 --> 02:33:51,679
you know what's interesting about this

3361
02:33:55,780 --> 02:33:53,970
non-disclosure stuff I mean look at it

3362
02:33:58,760 --> 02:33:55,790
this way say we have Apple incorporated

3363
02:34:01,520 --> 02:33:58,770
which of course we have new operating

3364
02:34:03,800 --> 02:34:01,530
systems that they let people who write

3365
02:34:06,050 --> 02:34:03,810
software tests they have to sign this

3366
02:34:08,630 --> 02:34:06,060
very long non-disclosure agreement and

3367
02:34:09,860 --> 02:34:08,640
if they break the agreement will Apple

3368
02:34:11,929 --> 02:34:09,870
throws them out of the program or

3369
02:34:13,490 --> 02:34:11,939
something now somebody signs a

3370
02:34:15,679 --> 02:34:13,500
nondisclosure agreement with Steven

3371
02:34:18,080 --> 02:34:15,689
Greer and something happens or nothing

3372
02:34:20,570 --> 02:34:18,090
happens why haven't we seen at least one

3373
02:34:22,250 --> 02:34:20,580
person over all the years saying I don't

3374
02:34:25,370 --> 02:34:22,260
care you want to sue me go ahead man

3375
02:34:26,870 --> 02:34:25,380
this is what happened go sue me take

3376
02:34:29,330 --> 02:34:26,880
your best shot how come that doesn't

3377
02:34:33,110 --> 02:34:29,340
happen well or maybe they just feel

3378
02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:33,120
stupid for being taken in well you know

3379
02:34:37,310 --> 02:34:35,850
that's a good point and and I see we

3380
02:34:40,730 --> 02:34:37,320
don't have a lot of time left so I'll

3381
02:34:44,150 --> 02:34:40,740
talk rapidly how many of these former

3382
02:34:46,429 --> 02:34:44,160
military people that come forth with UFO

3383
02:34:50,080 --> 02:34:46,439
experiences at their base when they were

3384
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:50,090
in the service or having seen you know

3385
02:34:56,150 --> 02:34:53,130
Roswell whites in Christ and they come

3386
02:34:58,390 --> 02:34:56,160
forward years later and they talk and

3387
02:35:00,710 --> 02:34:58,400
talk and talk and they're never

3388
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:00,720
court-martialed and they never lose

3389
02:35:05,660 --> 02:35:03,120
their pension and they're never shot

3390
02:35:08,900 --> 02:35:05,670
mysteriously does that tell you

3391
02:35:10,760 --> 02:35:08,910
something yeah except if you want look

3392
02:35:12,830 --> 02:35:10,770
at the perverse definition of that which

3393
02:35:14,660 --> 02:35:12,840
is they don't do anything because if

3394
02:35:16,131 --> 02:35:14,670
they did it would only prove what the

3395
02:35:18,490 --> 02:35:16,141
person says correct

3396
02:35:20,930 --> 02:35:18,500
so therefore if you do nothing and you

3397
02:35:24,081 --> 02:35:20,940
tolerate a few people just going out

3398
02:35:26,780 --> 02:35:24,091
there and saying their piece well that

3399
02:35:27,410 --> 02:35:26,790
demonstrates there's no truth to it get

3400
02:35:31,280 --> 02:35:27,420
my point

3401
02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:31,290
yeah good point again briefly with

3402
02:35:35,541 --> 02:35:33,210
George Adamski when he started when he

3403
02:35:38,360 --> 02:35:35,551
got the straight letter and started to

3404
02:35:40,910 --> 02:35:38,370
publicize it and make a big deal for his

3405
02:35:42,591 --> 02:35:40,920
own promotion out of it this is a fake

3406
02:35:43,780 --> 02:35:42,601
letter that grey Barker and Jim wrote

3407
02:35:46,610 --> 02:35:43,790
Yeah right

3408
02:35:49,100 --> 02:35:46,620
they the government made another mistake

3409
02:35:51,381 --> 02:35:49,110
they came after and told him to shut up

3410
02:35:53,900 --> 02:35:51,391
and he started talking louder than ever

3411
02:35:56,600 --> 02:35:53,910
maybe they learned back then just not to

3412
02:35:58,761 --> 02:35:56,610
do that kind of thing well we have you

3413
02:36:00,620 --> 02:35:58,771
guys to thank for that maybe this should

3414
02:36:03,350 --> 02:36:00,630
be some ammunition to get more people to

3415
02:36:06,200 --> 02:36:03,360
come out and years later and violate

3416
02:36:07,100 --> 02:36:06,210
their security oath by saying hey look

3417
02:36:08,841 --> 02:36:07,110
they're not going to come after you

3418
02:36:11,120 --> 02:36:08,851
because then they did just legitimize

3419
02:36:12,591 --> 02:36:11,130
what it is that you're saying well I

3420
02:36:15,890 --> 02:36:12,601
can't think of his name at this moment

3421
02:36:18,671 --> 02:36:15,900
but somebody just very recently wrote to

3422
02:36:21,530 --> 02:36:18,681
three prominent government officials

3423
02:36:24,801 --> 02:36:21,540
asking them to put it in writing the

3424
02:36:27,560 --> 02:36:24,811
fact that nobody would be prosecuted for

3425
02:36:30,081 --> 02:36:27,570
coming forward about saucers so

3426
02:36:32,331 --> 02:36:30,091
radically any of those three officials

3427
02:36:35,900 --> 02:36:32,341
ever said any such thing in other words

3428
02:36:38,001 --> 02:36:35,910
they just ignored this challenge and I'm

3429
02:36:40,370 --> 02:36:38,011
trying to think of the name of the guy

3430
02:36:43,251 --> 02:36:40,380
that made the challenge but I'll tell

3431
02:36:47,620 --> 02:36:43,261
you next time there's a story now about

3432
02:36:50,301 --> 02:36:47,630
a CIA guy former CIA guy comes out and

3433
02:36:57,230 --> 02:36:50,311
talks about Roswell but he's not going

3434
02:36:59,660 --> 02:36:57,240
to be prosecuted either was his name

3435
02:37:01,011 --> 02:36:59,670
clay something or other clay there's

3436
02:37:05,320 --> 02:37:01,021
been a few articles in the last couple

3437
02:37:09,440 --> 02:37:05,330
weeks about him and what is he thinking

3438
02:37:11,240 --> 02:37:09,450
what is his story well in a nutshell

3439
02:37:14,990 --> 02:37:11,250
he's just saying the Roswell was a real

3440
02:37:18,980 --> 02:37:15,000
event know where he T's involved okay

3441
02:37:21,051 --> 02:37:18,990
well other people have said that I'm

3442
02:37:22,400 --> 02:37:21,061
sure someone in the former military

3443
02:37:24,980 --> 02:37:22,410
people they've been talking

3444
02:37:26,900 --> 02:37:24,990
positive things about Roswell for years

3445
02:37:28,400 --> 02:37:26,910
and nothing has happened to them yeah

3446
02:37:28,849 --> 02:37:28,410
every couple years somebody else comes

3447
02:37:31,939 --> 02:37:28,859
out

3448
02:37:35,599 --> 02:37:31,949
some new you know revelation yeah the

3449
02:37:39,710 --> 02:37:35,609
fellow that had this deathbed confession

3450
02:37:42,619 --> 02:37:39,720
their water caught H with you he's an

3451
02:37:46,420 --> 02:37:42,629
interesting case all he ever did was he

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was the one that sent the Flying Saucer

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crash notice to the media you had to

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live that down we can't live this down

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we have to ask Jim Mosley tell our

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listeners where they can get a copy of

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saucer smear well they like the pedo box

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three three oh there you go we find more

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stuff Chris I have to ask Chris a

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question Chris where do we find your

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stuff well I'm a moderator at forum dr.

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Peric ascom and also have of my new

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updated website our strange planet calm

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and you can reach us on Twitter send us

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a tweet we are the power cast on Twitter

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Jim Mosely editor of saucer smear we

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want to thank you once again for joining

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the para cast featuring Jim Steinberg

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and Christopher o'brien

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is a copyrighted presentation of making

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